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Subject: medical cover at tournaments
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I don't feel I can stay out of this debate!
I've had several e-conversations over the last year about medical cover at=20
tournaments. If you search the archives you'll see it was one of several=20
questions I put to the prospective UK Ultimate executive candidates - and I=20
didn't feel it got a full response; certainly only a few candidates replied.
My feeling is that it is unrealistic to expect medical cover at a 'small'=20
tournament eg say 6-8 teams
However once you are talking about 4-600 players I think it is unrealistic=20
not to have medical cover. I have to agree with earlier comments that St=20
Johns are great at what they do, but we need sports experienced physios or=20
Doctors to deal with acute sports injuries. If players are willing to pay a=20
little extra then I may be able to build a reasonable number of physios and=20
Docs who are prepared to come and be 'on call'.
The days of Jackie Grant and I coming to tournaments for fun are over!=20
(neither of us have the time to spare any longer; anyway, if you want a=20
professional job done, you really have to pay the costs.) I really do need=20
plenty of notice though. Its no good asking for medical help a couple of=20
months before a tournement; 6 months would be a minimum. Physios and docs ar=
e=20
in short supply. The idea would be to entice a few I know to do it for the=20
experience (and the money) and once they see what a really great sport=20
Ultimate is - they will be hooked and want to do more. well - it happened to=
=20
me!
Even =A32-3 a player would probably pay for on 2 site physios and a doc. Les=
s=20
than the cost of a beer and a burger!
So -  for future organisers, if you want sports qualified practitioners,=20
allow for it in your budget and give me plenty of notice -  I'll try to help=
.

A guide; physios should be MCSP (ie chartered)
ACPSM is an extra worth looking for (sports qualified chartered physios)
Any Doc is good, but one with Dip Sports Med or MSc sports med is better
Masseurs are good but are not specifically trained for acute major trauma
Sports therapists may be good but again the training varies enormously.
Osteopaths and chiropracters may be very good at manipulation but may not fi=
t=20
the whole bill.=20

May all your injuries be little ones
Paul

Dr Paul Marfleet ('Ultimate Doc' since 1986!!)

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=3D2>I don't feel I can stay o=
ut of this debate!
<BR>I've had several e-conversations over the last year about medical cover=20=
at tournaments. If you search the archives you'll see it was one of several=20=
questions I put to the prospective UK Ultimate executive candidates - and I=20=
didn't feel it got a full response; certainly only a few candidates replied.
<BR>My feeling is that it is unrealistic to expect medical cover at a 'small=
' tournament eg say 6-8 teams
<BR>However once you are talking about 4-600 players I think it is unrealist=
ic not to have medical cover. I have to agree with earlier comments that St=20=
Johns are great at what they do, but we need sports experienced physios or D=
octors to deal with acute sports injuries. If players are willing to pay a l=
ittle extra then I may be able to build a reasonable number of physios and D=
ocs who are prepared to come and be 'on call'.
<BR>The days of Jackie Grant and I coming to tournaments for fun are over! (=
neither of us have the time to spare any longer; anyway, if you want a profe=
ssional job done, you really have to pay the costs.) I really do need plenty=
 of notice though. Its no good asking for medical help a couple of months be=
fore a tournement; 6 months would be a minimum. Physios and docs are in shor=
t supply. The idea would be to entice a few I know to do it for the experien=
ce (and the money) and once they see what a really great sport Ultimate is -=
 they will be hooked and want to do more. well - it happened to me!
<BR>Even =A32-3 a player would probably pay for on 2 site physios and a doc.=
 Less than the cost of a beer and a burger!
<BR>So -  for future organisers, if you want sports qualified practitio=
ners, allow for it in your budget and give me plenty of notice -  I'll=20=
try to help.
<BR>
<BR>A guide; physios should be MCSP (ie chartered)
<BR>ACPSM is an extra worth looking for (sports qualified chartered physios)
<BR>Any Doc is good, but one with Dip Sports Med or MSc sports med is better
<BR>Masseurs are good but are not specifically trained for acute major traum=
a
<BR>Sports therapists may be good but again the training varies enormously.
<BR>Osteopaths and chiropracters may be very good at manipulation but may no=
t fit the whole bill.=20
<BR>
<BR>May all your injuries be little ones
<BR>Paul
<BR>
<BR>Dr Paul Marfleet ('Ultimate Doc' since 1986!!)</FONT></HTML>

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