From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Apr 9 23:40:40 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g39Medd22306 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:40:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g39MZN724516; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:35:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g39MPvQR010934 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:58 +0100 (BST) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g39MPvsL010933 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:57 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g39MPuQR010928 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.atm.ox.ac.uk (mail.atm.ox.ac.uk [163.1.242.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g39MPut10961 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from poseidon.atm.ox.ac.uk (booth@poseidon.atm.ox.ac.uk [163.1.242.17]) by mail.atm.ox.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id g39MPts03012 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (booth@localhost) by poseidon.atm.ox.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA07497 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:55 +0100 (BST) X-Authentication-Warning: poseidon.atm.ox.ac.uk: booth owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 23:25:55 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Booth <booth@atm.ox.ac.uk> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk '" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Regionisations In-Reply-To: <1396177A57E2D511A1EB0008C7866E185247E9@bham-eee-fs4.bham.ac.uk> Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.21.0204092245250.7429-100000@poseidon.atm.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk On Tue, 9 Apr 2002, KD001(P.M.KETT) wrote: > Ben's suggestion of a regional split would be > great but I think that there is likely to be difficulty balancing the > regions at the moment (just look at the debates over indoors), but as a > long-term goal it has great potential. I think the idea of regionalisation of ultimate is a good one. The tour was set up to raise the level of the top teams in the uk and has done a god job of this. However having tried to start a couple of teams (running out of hereford) in the past, it is a large jump to bring teams into national events partically the tour. [I watch the student teams in the south hold their breath over whether they would have to bring teams up to st. andrews for student nationals, and this is a problem faced by scotish teams who trek south each year] I think the developement of more local (to a region) events perhaps taking up just one day makes it easier to make this transition. Borrowing from the experience of oxford city korftball they found that they were taking developement teams all over the country, to play in the second division in what were ofter quite low quality games. There response was to say that instead of carting a team up to leeds they developed a local oxfordshire league - pushed for new recruits through peoples work and incorporarted the student teams and now run a reasombly high level 6-8 team league - lots of games, easy to get people involved, great for pulling people through into the oxford team which competes in the national 1st division. If we could do that in the local region - say get hold of pitch space for 1 day and get teams out from the local region it's alot easier to get things organised, there is let commitment required for the TDs and for the players involed. National tournaments become the highlights of the year (be that open tour or a friendly scottish beach tournaments) rather than the main stay. This is done already and not just by the more social teams - the london winter league was a great example of teams from the south east coming together and improving - it provided a focus for the teams over winter and I think they all have come out stronger. I know that BAF looked at doing something similar the end of last summer with a mini events hosting just 6 teams. I'm looking at getting a small one day tournament going in hereford in the beginning of september this year. Each year the town holds the annual 'festival of the winds' with kite flyers coming in from all over the country. I'm trying to talk them into allowing me to host a 6 or 8 team mini tournament to coincide with the same event. I'm hoping to use this as a way to resurect the hereford hoofers (dorian?, richard? taz? are you still in the area?) but if there are teams in the rest of the region (south wales or midlands or beyond) that want to take part let me know. To develope ultimate and bring people into the sport we need venues to take them. I think one of the biggest restriction on growth of the sport in this country is providing venues and events for people to play in, which is partly why universities are responsible for most of our current crop of players. We've put together a spring league in oxford which gets student teams here playing each other (10 teams, regular games from jan to may and we have over 120 players on those books). Maybe it is easier (certainly from my point of view) to do this on a smaller scale. My ideal would be to get a 4 division league running in oxford, but that ain't going to happen this year or the next. But more regional venues might be part of an answer. ok my tu'pence just ran out (it did long ago but I hope you weren't counting), ben mootones, hoofers, whatever