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Subject: Re: TOUR & Relegation
Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2002 17:46:29 +0100
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Probably already been said in so many words by someone, but my thoughts =
on the women's-alongside-open situation...
I think that it's a pretty lame idea having a women's tour alonside the =
biggest open tour. I can't make it to Bristol, but if I could, I would =
want to play for the open team and know several women who feel the same. =
More challenging experience, more competition, all adds up to better =
women players and so better womens tournaments at seperate times. More =
importantly, by having a women's tour alongside tour 1, it encourages =
seperation of the sport into men's and women's. Isn't one of the BEST =
things about ultimate the fact that men and women are EQUAL? I think so. =
It's one of the few sports where gender is irrelevant. =20
Some of the best players on some teams are women and want to play at the =
best level they can, that being Open Tour. There are plenty of other =
weekends where an Open Women's Tour could be arranged surely? Why force =
women to make decisions between the two?
I fully support the mixed events as well, and these should definately be =
kept seperate too.
Hussey
FlyTNT/Birds In Flyght/Flyghtclub
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Samuel Rey" <reys@south-nottingham.ac.uk>
To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: <student-ultimate@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: TOUR & Relegation
> I read an email on Britdisc (maybe 6 weeks ago), regarding the number =
of
> teams entering each event over the past few years, and although it has
> steadily grown (big up! to all those people who promote and are =
proactive to
> newcomers), the number of teams tends to drop as the year =
progresses... last
> years Nationals being relatively small.
>=20
> As a pro-advocate of some type of 2 division structure, I think it =
would be
> great if the Ultimate Premier Tour events were restricted to <16 to =
24>
> teams, leaving anything between 16 and 32 at a 2nd Division or =
UKUltimate
> Tour Events (when there is 40 in the second division, it will be the =
right
> time to consider a 3rd). But i dont think it should be this year =
(just my
> opinion). Next year would be much better advised, time for discussion =
and
> planning will be available, rather than rushing headlong into =
something many
> are unconvinced about.
>=20
> Lets see this done well... Hell, we might even win a second Div =
event...
>=20
> And now
> Women... I have to say that after the successes of Womens Indoor =
Ultimate
> this past few months, I was saddened to hear that few were willing to =
enter
> Bristol. I wonder if the problem is the same as with Students =
generally...
> there seems to be some complacancy in introducing students to =
Outdoors...
> I'm not pulling anyone down, but considering that we have just had the
> calmest Spring period in living (student) history, I'm confused (not
> unusual).
>=20
> Last
> Thanks to the chap who scanned that Telegraph Article in... I'll go =
and
> check it out now.
>=20
> See you all at TOUR ONE !!!
>=20
> s
> nottingham ultimate
> FlyghtClub
> Inbred
> anyone who'll have me...
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Sam
>=20
> 914 6254
> reys@south-nottingham.ac.uk
>=20
>=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Probably already been said in so many words by =
someone, but my=20
thoughts on the women's-alongside-open situation...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I think that it's a pretty lame idea having a =
women's tour=20
alonside the biggest open tour. I can't make it to Bristol, but if =
I could,=20
I would want to play for the open team and know several women who feel =
the same.=20
More challenging experience, more competition, all adds up to better =
women=20
players and so better womens tournaments at seperate times. More =
importantly, by=20
having a women's tour alongside tour 1, it encourages seperation of the =
sport=20
into men's and women's. Isn't one of the <STRONG>BEST</STRONG> things =
about=20
ultimate the fact that men and women are EQUAL? I think so. It's one of =
the few=20
sports where gender is irrelevant. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Some of the best players on some teams are women and =
want to=20
play at the best level they can, that being Open Tour. There =
are plenty of=20
other weekends where an Open Women's Tour could be arranged surely? =
Why =20
force women to make decisions between the two?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I fully support the mixed events as well, and these =
should=20
definately be kept seperate too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hussey</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>FlyTNT/Birds In Flyght/Flyghtclub</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>From: "Samuel Rey" <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:reys@south-nottingham.ac.uk"><FONT=20
size=3D2>reys@south-nottingham.ac.uk</FONT></A><FONT =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>To: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk"><FONT=20
size=3D2>britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk</FONT></A><FONT =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Cc: <</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:student-ultimate@egroups.com"><FONT=20
size=3D2>student-ultimate@egroups.com</FONT></A><FONT =
size=3D2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Tuesday, April 09, 2002 1:51 PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Subject: TOUR & Relegation</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT size=3D2>> I read an email =
on Britdisc=20
(maybe 6 weeks ago), regarding the number of<BR>> teams entering each =
event=20
over the past few years, and although it has<BR>> steadily grown (big =
up! to=20
all those people who promote and are proactive to<BR>> newcomers), =
the number=20
of teams tends to drop as the year progresses... last<BR>> years =
Nationals=20
being relatively small.<BR>> <BR>> As a pro-advocate of some type =
of 2=20
division structure, I think it would be<BR>> great if the Ultimate =
Premier=20
Tour events were restricted to <16 to 24><BR>> teams, leaving =
anything=20
between 16 and 32 at a 2nd Division or UKUltimate<BR>> Tour Events =
(when=20
there is 40 in the second division, it will be the right<BR>> time to =
consider a 3rd). But i dont think it should be this year (just =
my<BR>>=20
opinion). Next year would be much better advised, time for =
discussion=20
and<BR>> planning will be available, rather than rushing headlong =
into=20
something many<BR>> are unconvinced about.<BR>> <BR>> Lets see =
this=20
done well... Hell, we might even win a second Div event...<BR>> =
<BR>> And=20
now<BR>> Women... I have to say that after the successes of Womens =
Indoor=20
Ultimate<BR>> this past few months, I was saddened to hear that few =
were=20
willing to enter<BR>> Bristol. I wonder if the problem is the =
same as=20
with Students generally...<BR>> there seems to be some complacancy in =
introducing students to Outdoors...<BR>> I'm not pulling anyone down, =
but=20
considering that we have just had the<BR>> calmest Spring period in =
living=20
(student) history, I'm confused (not<BR>> unusual).<BR>> <BR>>=20
Last<BR>> Thanks to the chap who scanned that Telegraph Article =
in... =20
I'll go and<BR>> check it out now.<BR>> <BR>> See you all at =
TOUR ONE=20
!!!<BR>> <BR>> s<BR>> nottingham ultimate<BR>> =
FlyghtClub<BR>>=20
Inbred<BR>> anyone who'll have me...<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> =
<BR>>=20
<BR>> <BR>> Sam<BR>> <BR>> 914 6254<BR>> </FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:reys@south-nottingham.ac.uk"><FONT=20
size=3D2>reys@south-nottingham.ac.uk</FONT></A><BR><FONT size=3D2>> =
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