From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 25 22:09:40 2002 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2PM9dR19558 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 22:09:39 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2PLxov08843; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:59:50 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2PLvH0K004095 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:57:17 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g2PLvHFd004094 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:57:17 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g2PLvG0K004089 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:57:16 GMT Received: from anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.93]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2PLvGn25572 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:57:16 GMT Received: from phidelta.demon.co.uk ([158.152.248.177]) by anchor-post-35.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16pcSn-0008UE-0Z for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:57:15 +0000 Message-ID: <EM9zLMBUp5n8EwBz@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 21:44:52 +0000 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk From: Wayne Retter <druid#6@phidelta.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Wayne Retter <wayne@fluiddruids.com> Subject: Re: shaftin' and other difficulties References: <4BAB64C45762D5119DE200508BCF33E601CB6499@zexchange01.qa.com> In-Reply-To: <4BAB64C45762D5119DE200508BCF33E601CB6499@zexchange01.qa.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Turnpike Integrated Version 4.02 S <pjZRgFWDsQK5ViyP$l4rxVrb6a> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk id g2PLvG0K004090 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Um, I'm about to agree with Paul Meaney! > In all honesty that is a fantastic idea. I mean - the top 8 teams play > each other regularly and get good competition over the weekend. The two tier > idea has been proposed once or twice In case anyone missed it, the two-tier structure has just been trialled in the 'London' Winter League. There's some room for future improvement, but I'd say it was generally a success. > (1) you are doubling the amount of tournaments which means we need more > people getting involved, finding a venue for 16 teams and doing it. Risky. > But IMHO it's doable, as currently there are limited venues which can host an > event the size of the tour I think it's VERY doable. > (2) how do you handle crossovers? (without thinking about it in too much detail) a la Winter League, but bigger? e.g. hold a 16 team 'Div1' event and a 12-16 'Div2' event - and from one event to the next you relegate/promote 2 or 3 (or more?) teams*. And within each event you can still run the 5-12 crossover. * you need to think about this carefully, so that all the games are still relevant to something more than just promotion/relegation - e.g. seeding in the next event. > (3) how do you handle nationals? I think you break Nationals into smaller divisions, e.g. of 8 (maybe even 6 ?), seeded by performance over the year - i.e. Tour results. Which rather ruins it's separate identity... but still gives options for a couple of upsets on the big day. Depending on format. > (4) It means that people coming through don't get to see top flight > ultimate. Which is not good as it means people don;t come away from > tournaments having had the ability to watch top teams play and learn from > them, so the rate of learning slows. Yeah, and my propositions above lessen the interaction between the 'top flight' teams and the others. I'm not so keen on that. So, we need to find ways to encourage 'top flight' teams/players to come to non-Tour events ? or have more top-to-bottom interaction somewhere along the line ? Wayne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Wayne Retter mobile: 07970-903420 w.retter@bigfoot.com office: 01737-273655