From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 26 23:29:33 2002 Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1QNTVC04356 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:29:31 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1QNKcN04516; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:20:38 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g1QNGK0K022791 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:20 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g1QNGKMB022790 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:20 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g1QNGJ0K022785 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:19 GMT Received: from blueyonder.co.uk (pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk [195.188.53.94]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1QNGJE13998 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:19 GMT Received: from pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk ([127.0.0.1]) by blueyonder.co.uk with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.757.75); Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:19 +0000 Received: from btinternet.com (unverified [62.31.77.152]) by pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.2.9) with ESMTP id <T595123a23cac1785b31b0@pcow057o.blueyonder.co.uk>; Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:19 +0000 Message-ID: <3C7C174F.3000900@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 23:16:31 +0000 From: Laura Pearce <laurapearce@btinternet.com> Reply-To: laurapearce@btinternet.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.2.1) Gecko/20010901 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rebecca Humphries <beccahumphries@hotmail.com>, Ruth Taylor <ruth11@totalise.co.uk> CC: maaafy_bird@yahoo.co.uk, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: The Open Tour and Women's ultimate References: <F56ZrIkyPzGNsokLQ8a00007fac@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi all Yet again we are faced with the dilemma/issue of women who play on open teams but wanting to play women's as well. There is a famous saying that goes something along the lines of you can't please all the people all of the time and I think this sums up this situation perfectly. While some women may be in the position of having a place on an open team which plays in the tour, I would hazard a guess that the majority don't. Unfortunately, it comes down to making a personal choice. There are arguments for both sides - as Rebecca said having women's events alongside open events helps to raise the profile of women's ultimate - how many players know who won the two women's nationals last year and have some idea of who were in the teams? - and as Ruth said it is hard to decide between the two, when you are part of an open team and also want to play women's ultimate too. Nicole's suggestion of some kind of compromise seems to be the way forward, but if there are enough women to make an event alongside an open tour viable, then they shouldn't lose out either. The key point to be made is that this is something for the female players themselves to think about and discuss in order to try and find the solution which results in pleasing as many of the people as much of the time as possible. This leads me nicely onto my next point. At the women's tournament in Nottingham in December, a short meeting was held after the final, and one of the ideas was to set up a mailing list for the female players in the UK, where they could discuss relevant issues and keep up to date with what is happening re practices and tournaments (I must stress for both women's and mixed ultimate). I have set up a mailing list for the female players of the UK to join (its a yahoogroups one). If you would like to subscribe, then send an email to ukuw-subscribe@yahoogroups.com If you have any queries/problems, then send me an email and I'll endeavour to answer them. Please forward this on to any players who may not be on britdisc and even if a whole team can't subscribe, try and get at least one person to, just so the team knows what's going on. The only way to solve the dilemmas faced by female players is to work them out ourselves, and I hope this mailing list will provide a starting point. Thanks Laura Pearce Rebecca Humphries wrote: > I don't want to start a debate on this. > > There is a reason why TD's have been asked to accommodate women's > divisions > > It's important to give women's ultimate a profile and an audience and > show players that there is another option to competing in a male > dominated competition - women's events shouldn't be held separately to > the tour and the co-ed tour becuase there just isn't space in the > calendar and people aren't motivated to attend. This will improve, > hopefully, the number and the development of female players in this > country. > > With the development of the co-ed tour, you now have the option to > compete at a high level with men and women. Maybe women aren't ready > to make this break from the 'norm' of playing with their Open team yet > and the difficultly this year is that many of the top women are > committed to their co-ed teams for Hawaii. > > Perhaps women's teams who are planning to enter the women's division > could publicise this so it is possible to assess the enthusiasm. > > Rebecca > > >From: Nicole Roberts >To: britdisc >Subject: Re: Fw: Fw: The Open > Tour and Women's ultimate >Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2002 03:37:01 -0800 (PST) > > >Ruth et al, > >I agree too; it's a great idea having more women's > >events and trying to raise the profile of the women's >game, but I'm > finding it tough to decide whether to >play open or women's. I'm > pretty sure that opinions on >this are split down the middle, from > what I remember >being bashed around britdisc last year. Maybe we > >should have women's events at 2 of the tours instead >of all four?? > > >Nicole >mohawks > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > >http://sports.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here > <http://go.msn.com/bql/hmtag4_etl_EN.asp>