From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 22 17:49:54 2002 Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MHnrC09680 for <suaaz@mail.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:49:53 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@agave [137.205.192.52]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g1MHiWE15403; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:44:32 GMT Received: from agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g1MHgn0K018868 for <britdisc-outgoing@agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:49 GMT Received: (from daemon@localhost) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0/Submit) id g1MHgmI0018867 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:48 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by agave.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.12.0/8.12.0) with ESMTP id g1MHgm0K018862 for <britdisc-real@majordomo.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:48 GMT Received: from server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com (mail.london-2.starlabs.net [212.125.75.4]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g1MHgkN12250 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:47 GMT X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 16594 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2002 17:42:39 -0000 Received: from mail.oyster.co.uk (HELO aurora.oyster.co.uk) (193.132.201.148) by server-11.tower-1.messagelabs.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2002 17:42:39 -0000 Received: by AURORA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <F33672L2>; Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:39 -0000 Message-ID: <7165D5A55FC4D41184DB00D0B7B9E62D0480CF34@AURORA> From: Roger Thomson <Roger.Thomson@oyster.com> To: "'Andrew Godber'" <Andrew.Godber@arup.com>, "'ben@ravilious.net'" <ben@ravilious.net>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 17:42:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBC8.51D32550" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBC8.51D32550 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Andrew et al, I would have thought it's just Ben's frustration at having spent months and months bringing the Association to fruition, then realising at the last minute exactly what big organisational problems people changing rosters like this will cause at the regionals this weekend. "Please sir, Stringy Student has been playing with Fictionaltown Frisbee but is rostered with Unrulybunch Ultimate - can we go through to the top 8 instead please?" is probably only a mild version of what could happen. I know we're all hippy spirit-minded players, but there's more and more of the bowling green mentality seeping in every day as we grow and get more organised. Unfortunately it's probably an unavoidable side-effect of the increasingly competitive tournaments in the UK, but feel sorry for the poor b****rs who've got to deal with it all..... Anyway, I've just realised I'm defending a Red player so I'll shut up now and let you flame him some more - after all it's not like he's done much for British Ultimate the last year or so. Surely it's just funny? A bit like Madge from Home and Away getting slightly rattled with Alf. We're all supposed to be a happy family after all. This mailing list has lost so much of it's sense of humour recently I'm tempted to give a bong out as a prize at Winter League.... Anyway, you all enjoy your schmindoors this weekend - make sure someone beats the Druids please. :-) Silver Bear cu#1 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Godber [mailto:Andrew.Godber@arup.com] Sent: 22 February 2002 16:49 To: 'ben@ravilious.net'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required Ben, I am sure that I am not the only person that finds that comment a little bit patronising and degrading for the frisbee teams out there that want pick-ups. We are also struggling for numbers (10 people for 2 teams), but we are still going to the tournaments. It was briefly suggested that we drop out of one, but that was immediately dismissed because it would be a crap thing to do to the organisers. There are times when, despite having 20-30 active club members, other issues (Injury, work, and just other life commitments) take hold, and our squads are reduced for tournaments. I am sure this has happened to other teams, and that is why they are keen to get pick-ups, and avoid missing the tournament altogether. One of the great things about Ultimate is the way that it makes people want to play as much as possible, and I am sure that people are not pulling out because they just don't feel like it. I am sorry to go on and on. This was not meant to be an e-mail entirely be-moaning our situation, but to ask you if you just want the 5 biggest/best clubs to turn up to each regional qualifier, and forget about the rest of the other competitors? Because obviously 'us people' are apparently spoiling the sport for the rest of you. I am entirely in favour of the registration/rostering process, but I think you could have phrased your point a little bit better. *Looking forward to running all weekend in an iron-man team* Andrew Godber Slipdisc -----Original Message----- From: Ben Ravilious [ mailto:ben@ravilious.net <mailto:ben@ravilious.net> ] Sent: 22 February 2002 16:42 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Martin Burke Subject: Re: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required ...and 'they' won't let you play in another event until you've registered and paid any dues. Why do you people bother entering the nationals if you can't even get a team together? Ben UK Ultimate ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Martin Burke" <martin@suht.swest.nhs.uk> >We'll sort the rostering out tomorrow if need be, but remember >they won't let you play for someone else at the nationals if >we don't qualify. ----------------------------------------------------------- Internet communications are not secure and therefore Oyster Partners Ltd does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Oyster Partners Ltd. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1BBC8.51D32550 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <TITLE>RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required</TITLE> <META content="MSHTML 5.50.4912.300" name=GENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Andrew et al,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I would have thought it's just Ben's frustration at having spent months and months bringing the Association to fruition, then realising at the last minute exactly what big organisational problems people changing rosters like this will cause at the regionals this weekend.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>"Please sir, Stringy Student has been playing with Fictionaltown Frisbee but is rostered with Unrulybunch Ultimate - can we go through to the top 8 instead please?" is probably only a mild version of what could happen. I know we're all hippy spirit-minded players, but there's more and more of the bowling green mentality seeping in every day as we grow and get more organised. Unfortunately it's probably an unavoidable side-effect of the increasingly competitive tournaments in the UK, but feel sorry for the poor b****rs who've got to deal with it all.....</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Anyway, I've just realised I'm defending a Red player so I'll shut up now and let you flame him some more - after all it's not like he's done much for British Ultimate the last year or so.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Surely it's just funny? A bit like Madge from Home and Away getting slightly rattled with Alf. We're all supposed to be a happy family after all. This mailing list has lost so much of it's sense of humour recently I'm tempted to give a bong out as a prize at Winter League....</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Anyway, you all enjoy your schmindoors this weekend - make sure someone beats the Druids please. </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>:-)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Silver Bear</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>cu#1</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=132271717-22022002></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=132271717-22022002></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=132271717-22022002> </SPAN>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Andrew Godber [mailto:Andrew.Godber@arup.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> 22 February 2002 16:49<BR><B>To:</B> 'ben@ravilious.net'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <P><FONT size=2>Ben,</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>I am sure that I am not the only person that finds that comment a little bit patronising and degrading for the frisbee teams out there that want pick-ups. We are also struggling for numbers (10 people for 2 teams), but we are still going to the tournaments. It was briefly suggested that we drop out of one, but that was immediately dismissed because it would be a crap thing to do to the organisers. There are times when, despite having 20-30 active club members, other issues (Injury, work, and just other life commitments) take hold, and our squads are reduced for tournaments. I am sure this has happened to other teams, and that is why they are keen to get pick-ups, and avoid missing the tournament altogether. One of the great things about Ultimate is the way that it makes people want to play as much as possible, and I am sure that people are not pulling out because they just don't feel like it.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>I am sorry to go on and on. This was not meant to be an e-mail entirely be-moaning our situation, but to ask you if you just want the 5 biggest/best clubs to turn up to each regional qualifier, and forget about the rest of the other competitors? Because obviously 'us people' are apparently spoiling the sport for the rest of you. I am entirely in favour of the registration/rostering process, but I think you could have phrased your point a little bit better.</FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>*Looking forward to running all weekend in an iron-man team*</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Andrew Godber</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Slipdisc</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: Ben Ravilious [<A href="mailto:ben@ravilious.net">mailto:ben@ravilious.net</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Sent: 22 February 2002 16:42</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Martin Burke</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: Re: Weston-Super-Mare Pickups required</FONT> </P><BR><BR><BR> <P><FONT size=2>...and 'they' won't let you play in another event until you've registered and paid any dues.</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Why do you people bother entering the nationals if you can't even get a team together?</FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>Ben </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>UK Ultimate </FONT></P><BR> <P><FONT size=2>---------- Original Message ----------------------------------</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From: "Martin Burke" <martin@suht.swest.nhs.uk></FONT> </P> <P><FONT size=2>>We'll sort the rostering out tomorrow if need be, but remember >they won't let you play for someone else at the nationals if </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=2>>we don't qualify.</FONT> </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> <HTML><BODY><BR> <BR> -----------------------------------------------------------<BR> Internet communications are not secure and therefore Oyster Partners Ltd<BR> does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. 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