From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 25 14:35:29 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA04985; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA04958; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from admin.warwick.ac.uk by violet.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA17616; Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from SIGMA/MERCURY by admin.warwick.ac.uk (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 14:13:01 +0000 Received: from MERCURY by SIGMA (Mercury 1.21); 25 Apr 97 14:12:43 +0000 From: "DEREK ROBINS" <D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Organization: University of Warwick, CV4 7AL, UK To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 14:12:35 +0000 (GMT) Subject: BUF and Women's Clubs X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <1874DE260F3@admin.warwick.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In response to Rafi who wrote, >>>>>>>>>>>> Lets not forget that the first C in WUCC stands for club. If certain british women consider themselves affiliated to clubs outside the UK then good for them. They should not be held accountable for the present state of British womens ultimate. Nonetheless I sympathise with Diana Worman's complaint (is it?) that the BUF is doing FA about the state of women's ultimate. The BUF has after all taken its most familiar stance in a crisis, sticking its head in the sand. >>>>>>>>>>>> As someone involved in running a disc sports association it irks me greatly when intelligent people such as Rafi resort to slagging off THEIR association. It is just such a cop out!!!!! It contributes absolutely nothing to improving matters. If you think something/someone is wrong then you should make a constructive criticism, otherwise you will merely demoralise people who do actually make a contribution to the sport and make a large sacrifice of time to do so. Criticise where you see fit but PLEASE identify where things have gone wrong. Which person or committee has failed and what should they have done? In most cases it is a lack of interest/involvement from the actual player base which results in a lack of progress and this may be no fault of the organisation. Regarding the lack of GB Women's teams at WUCC it is indeed sad. What can the BUF do about it? If individuals decide to play for foreign teams I don't see what the BUF can do about it - it is a matter for clubs and individuals and Rafi certainly seems to take that stance. I would also question whether the "state of British women's Ultimate" is really so bad. Sure things could be better, but I think a lot of progress has been made. People like Sue Underwood have put in much effort to organise womens ultimate and the BUF has largely been incidental to that. This is how things should happen - people need to take the responsibility to improve matters THEMSELVES. So Rafi, its back to you. Do you just like throwing mud and thus discouraging people from sticking their heads above the parapet and taking responsibility or do you have something constructive to contribute? Let's hear it! Del (STAN, BDGA, not a current BUF officer) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Derek Robins | | D.J.Robins@admin.warwick.ac.uk Finance Office | | Tel 01203 522710 University of Warwick | | Fax 01203 524573 Coventry CV4 7AL | | Home 01926 864136 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-