From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Nov 1 15:38:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id fA1FJNp04722 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:19:23 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA1FGlX04551 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:16:48 GMT Received: from mr4.cc.ic.ac.uk (mr4.cc.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.114]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id fA1FGkC00839 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:16:46 GMT Received: from icex11.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.11]) by mr4.cc.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.31 #1) id 15zJaI-00047H-04 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 01 Nov 2001 15:16:46 +0000 Received: by icex11.cc.ic.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <TCY9K77D>; Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:16:46 -0000 Message-ID: <91326A1A487FD411A59500508BAEDD9E0286B9A8@icex11.cc.ic.ac.uk> From: "Dowse, Timothy" <tim.dowse@ic.ac.uk> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: women Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 15:16:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't think it is unreasonable to say that ON AVERAGE women are smaller and slower and less strong then men. Obviously there are always exceptions (small feeble men like me and massive tall power house unbelievably-good-at-ultimate women). But I think it is perfectly reasonable to say that there are more men at the top of open ultimate than women because of average physical attributes, not to mention any of the other factors that have been discussed. I know we live in an age of equality, but I don't think you can take an set of guys and a set of girls and say that the girls have an equal chance of getting to the top open teams in the country as the guys. Anyway, much of the gap between men and women lies in speed, not size. And you can't tell me that women can run just as fast as men. Look at the fastest women in the world. They could not compete with the fastest men. And so the trend continues down to the us lesser athletes. Be realistic Tim Dowse -----Original Message----- From: Jaimie Cross To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sent: 11/1/2001 2:45 PM To say that women can't compete because of their (lack of) physical attributes is ridiculous. The top three teams in the country this year all had 'small' men playing for them (Aram, Kenny, Beege). All of whom I wouldn't like to mark, cos they can change direction a lot quicker than me. Similarly I'm sure none of them would want to mark me if I was sprinting long. Ultimate is not played by 6 foot plus olympic sprinters, it is played by a wide variety of shapes and sizes. If anyone, man or woman, wants to make it to the top of the game, they can, and do. If Rebecca wants to encourage female players, then instead of trying to dump the responsibility on student teams (who have a hard enough time as it is of getting respect with in the game as it is), why didn't she stand for the board of directors and push for it at a national level. If you want something doing well, do it yourself. If you aren't playing enough, with the right mix, in the right place, organise a tournament yourelf, make up the rules and ENJOY. Jaimie _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp