From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Oct 31 12:21:05 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9VCGEm24103 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:16:14 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9VCG6X24021 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:16:06 GMT Received: from mail.london-2.starlabs.net (mail.london-2.starlabs.net [212.125.75.4]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id f9VCG4C07816 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:16:06 GMT X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25885 invoked from network); 31 Oct 2001 12:14:46 -0000 Received: from mail.oyster.co.uk (HELO aurora.oyster.co.uk) (193.132.201.148) by server-34.tower-1.london-2.starlabs.net with SMTP; 31 Oct 2001 12:14:46 -0000 Received: by AURORA with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <V0LLRHCB>; Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:15:56 -0000 Message-ID: <7165D5A55FC4D41184DB00D0B7B9E62D036D5F63@AURORA> From: Roger Thomson <Roger.Thomson@oyster.com> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>, ClaphamBullfrogs@yahoogroups.com, londonleague@yahoogroups.com Subject: Results from London Winter League Matchday1 Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2001 12:15:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk NEWSFLASH: Sharks and Druids throw away leads against Clapham 1 and 2 respectively in their pool games; Druids losing to Clapham 2 in a penalty shoot-out ending at 12-12. Clapham 2 pay for failing to convert possesion in the final into a 2 point lead - Clapham 1 grind out a 13-10 final victory. NightFever get 6 off Clapham 2, confound seedings and avoid relegation by spanking Hammerage 13-5. No rain, lots of beer afterwards! Thanks all for coming down and making it a great day. Everyone seems to think it all went off rather well :-). Only 10 mins late as well, what's wrong? Full results: A: Clapham A (1), TeamShark (4), Smash & Grab (5), BadHabits (8) B: Clapham B (2), Fluid Druids (3), Hammerage (6), NightFever (7)10am: Captain's meeting 10.30am: 1v8(13-3), 4v5(13-4), 2v7(13-6), 3v6(13-3) 11.45am: 1v5(13-1), 4v8(13-3), 2v6(13-2), 3v7(13-2) 1pm: 1v4(12-10), 5v8(13-5), 2v3(13-12), 6v7(5-13) 2.30pm: A1vB1(13-10), A2vB2(13-11), A3vB3(13-8), A4vB4(13-5) Dougie and I spent a while pondering the best methods for giving out points. Our favourite proposed scoring method is: 1/ For each game, number of points your team scored plus the goal difference if you win. This gives losing teams the incentive to score as many as they can, as well as the winning team an incentive to win by as much as possible. 2/ No quadrupling or doubling of points for the final or semi. 3/ 80 points for coming 1st, 70 for 2nd........10 for 8th. This stretches the gap between finishing positions a bit to avoid the previously discussed non-linearities of 3rd getting more points than 2nd (and 5th more than 4th etc etc) unless they really get some significantly more resounding victories (which they didn't). We tried lots of combinations of quadrupling points, not point difference and all sorts of things, but couldn't think of anything better. Points read: Clapham 1 - 158 Clapham 2 - 138 Fluid Druids - 134 TeamShark - 116 Smash & Grab - 84 NightFever - 67 Hammerage - 51 BadHabits - 26 These point scores reflect the relative closenesses of games and teams pretty well. Druids get nearly as many points as Clapham 2 because they had a 1 point better goal difference in pool play and only lost the 'semi' by 1. Team Shark were a bit further behind because they were too soft on the easy teams in their pool and didn't get within 2 of Clapham 1 or Druids. The four lower placed teams were fairly linear - except Habits who were a bit further behind. We'll probably continue to frig the points in the future as well - in order to test out scoring methods for the benefit of others who may want to try similar systems in the future. Please comment on the next two provisional dates: Matchday 3 - 5th or 12th January, Matchday 4 - 10th or 17th February. Whaddya fink? RELEGATION AND QUALIFICATION: Still being debated exactly how to do this. Have 4 teams on the waiting list. Congrats to NightFever for avoiding the battle! Oh - there was some Lost Property, but I err, <eek> lost it in the pub after too many beers </eek>. I'm sure someone else must have picked it up. The only thing I still have is a Czech T-shirt that I think is Carthorse's. Next time I will appoint a Lost Property monitor I promise. Surely this is an Ultimate first, lol! Thanks again for making it a great day, and a step forward for Ultimate in the South. Thanks to the North for paying it such a gracious compliment... Cheers, Roger CU#1 PS - thanks for the photos Jon. PPS - I'm still waiting for the video, you-know-who! PPPS - Like the idea of having one of the events on a Saturday so we can go dancing and drinking afterwards, will consider later. ----------------------------------------------------------- Internet communications are not secure and therefore Oyster Partners Ltd does not accept legal responsibility for the contents of this message. 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