From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Oct 11 11:59:18 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f9BA0lA03840 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9BA0jX03828 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:45 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.atm.ox.ac.uk (mail.atm.ox.ac.uk [163.1.242.1]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f9BA0iC06252 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:44 +0100 (BST) Received: from tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk (tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk [163.1.242.206]) by mail.atm.ox.ac.uk (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id f9BA0gF02547 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (booth@localhost) by tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk (8.11.2/8.8.2) with ESMTP id f9BA0gI05213 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:42 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk: booth owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:00:42 +0100 (BST) From: Ben Booth <booth@atm.ox.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: COED and Savage Tournie London In-Reply-To: <F269H2q6DqaJY4kJSFs0000246a@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0110111039340.4224-100000@tashtego.atm.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id f9BA0jX03832 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Britdisc, I have alot of sympathy with Rebecca's and Hannah's points. My first real taste of ultimate was playing in Melbourne for a year. Most Australians play 'coed', with the only 'open' league found in Sydney (where it is one of 7 others). Coed in Australia means 2 women minimum on the pitch at any time. It was a shock to come back to the uk and find how male orientated we are here. The coed tour is the right step forward - but I agree that it would be good to see other tournaments and events which encoarage mixed teams. (Particularly so when you are trying to get newcomers into the game and the title of 'National coed tour' tends to imply commitment more serious than they think they want to make) I apprechaite that this is a difficult additional stipulation for tournament organisers when their first aim is to get the largest number of teams interested to get the event off the ground. All this message says is that there are some of us out here who want to support moves to some kind of coed tournaments (even if it is only a 2-5 ratio). Ultimately any message like this is open the reply - 'well get off your own arse and do something'. You'd be right mate. Ben (Who's been saving up his pennies) Matha and the Mootones On Wed, 10 Oct 2001, Rebecca Humphries wrote: > > Dear Organiser > > I've been reading about your Savage tournie - which sounds fantastic. A > great venue and well organised. > > However, it's a shame that it is not a co-ed tournie 2-5 split. As a > female player, it is really hard to find teams that want to play with > you. I've been told that Clapham are entering at least two teams to this > tournament and therefore other guys are 'taking this tournament > seriously' and therefore don't want women on the team. > > I could enter a women's team, but paying £20 for three games against such > competition would not be that much fun. > > I've sent this to Britdisc to have a bit of a rant really - women play > serious ultimate and it's rude to consider us only worthy of playing on a > team when you're not bothered about winning the tournament. Please can > tournament directors consider more co-ed regulations? > > Feel free to abuse me for being a whinging hag and to bugger off to > organise a tournament myself. > > Becca > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > >