From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 18 00:48:54 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) id f8HNhWY10339 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:43:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8HNhTA10330 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:43:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from rhenium (rhenium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.93]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8HNhTq23208 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:43:29 +0100 (BST) Received: from [213.1.156.238] (helo=si) by rhenium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #6) id 15j82w-0004WC-00; Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:43:26 +0100 Message-ID: <004001c13fd2$cd50ef40$ee9c01d5@si> From: "Si" <Si_B2001@btinternet.com> To: "Flores, Aram" <aflores@lehman.com> Cc: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <5FBC330944D3D41199AE0002A513ADBD7A4013@exlon05.lehman.com> Subject: Re: Final Tour Rankings and Nationals Seedings Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:44:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi Aram,U8c, Yes tennis leagues do allow free movement between teams(at least in my league)!!! But with the added restriction that 2 players on each team (in this case 6 players on each team) are rostered and cannot play at all for a lower placed team, and as the season comes to the final few weeks you cannot swap any player to a lower placed team unless that player has played for that lower placed team for at least a third of the seasons matches. So as not too load teams so that they cannot be relegated etc (hope that makes sense???) As for your second point it didn't make any change to the outcome for this year granted, but what about next year??? I think it would be an idea to address this gaping loophole in the rostering system now before it becomes an issue in the future!!! As for the seedings to nationals I'm not too bothered about this year or any inconvenience this may cause to the U8c (as that's their role to sort out these complicated issues) or their liking this seeding problem, I just want to see fair play in evidence like happened over tour 2 and the catch 22 situation last year and how that was resolved, and I feel in this instance the points allocation and deduction was to the wrong teams!!! Si.b Chevy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flores, Aram" <aflores@lehman.COM> To: "'Si_B2001@btinternet.com'" <si_b2001@btinternet.com> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 10:51 AM Subject: RE: Final Tour Rankings and Nationals Seedings > Si et al, > > Tennis leagues do not allow for unlimited movement between teams, so do not > make a good parallel. Besides, if we choose to withdraw Clapham 1 to ensure > our seeding it would not have changed the outcome. If we went to tour 4 as > Clapham 2, we still would have been ranked first and won the Tour! And, the > seedings for Nationals would be much less to the U8C's liking (as noted > before). > > Aram > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Si_B2001@btinternet.com [SMTP:Si_B2001@btinternet.com] > > Sent: 13 September 2001 00:14 > > To: Wayne Retter > > Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > > Subject: Re: Final Tour Rankings and Nationals Seedings > > > > Hi Wayne and Britdisc, > > I see things slightly differently as their "a" team (Clapham 1) finished > > lower than their "b" team (Clapham 2) at tour 3 shouldn't their "a" team > > be > > withdrawn from tour 4 as if you don't have enough players for that event > > (tour 4) the lowest placed team should have been withdrawn in this case > > their "a" team not their "b" team > > As I've seen this happen in other tennis leagues where 2 teams from the > > same > > club have been in the same league, and the supposedly higher ranked team > > has > > been relegated from that league, and the next year the following suffixes > > have remained the same so that the "d" team has ended up playing in the > > higher division to a "c" team. > > If this is the case then Clapham must forfeit the points for their "a" > > team > > and the points for tour 4 should goto their "b" team and penalties be > > adjusted as such > > > > Complicated I know but that's the way I see it > > > > So what if Aram loaded one team at tour 3 that's your choice as members of > > the Clapham club to go along with it !!! > > > > And can I ask if each team needed a separate roster for the tour or just > > one > > for the club?? and will this be the same next year??? U8c discuss > > > > Si.b > > > > Chevy > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Wayne Retter" <druid#6@phidelta.demon.co.uk> > > To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 9:24 PM > > Subject: Re: Final Tour Rankings and Nationals Seedings > > > > > > > >>So if Clapham 2 dropped out then why did Clapham 1 get seeded 1st for > > tour > > > >4? > > > > > > I'd go with "Clapham Ultimate" being seeded 1 at Tour 4 because "Clapham > > > Ultimate" (ignore the 1 or 2 - they're geo, so can mix their teams to > > > play first and second, or equal teams) won Tour 3. > > > > > > Wayne Retter > > > Fluid Druids > > > PS: you can seed us @ 1 if you want! > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Wayne Retter > > > mobile: 07970-903420 > > > w.retter@bigfoot.com > > > office: 01737-273655 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > This message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the designated recipient(s) named above. 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