From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Apr 4 15:03:28 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id OAA16412; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:31:05 +0100 (BST) Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA16351; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:49 +0100 (BST) Received: (from root@localhost) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) id OAA04304; Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:30:48 +0100 Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daemon@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk [137.205.192.19]) by irwell.zetnet.co.uk (8.7.6/8.7.3) with ESMTP id AAA25457 for <t.green@zetnet.co.uk>; Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:13:30 +0100 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id XAA28871; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from dns0.curved-logic.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id XAA28822; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:46:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc15.curved-logic.com by dns0.curved-logic.com id aa21489; 1 Apr 97 15:29 GMT Received: by pc15.curved-logic.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BC3EAF.63BF1F80@pc15.curved-logic.com>; Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:14:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01BC3EAF.63BF1F80@pc15.curved-logic.com> From: Kevin Lowe <kevin.lowe@curved-logic.com> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Rules Question 2 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 15:14:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Status: RO Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Since I was kind of involved in this argument with Dave, I'll put my = tuppence worth in=20 now. I'd actually had this 'discussion' with some Druids just before = this, to find out the=20 'internationally agreed' view. As a result, I stayed out of the on-pitch = argument, still=20 unsure about this rule. The situation, as described by Dave, was that a player ran out of bounds = while=20 chasing the disc. He caught it in bounds (having taken off from in = bounds as well), but=20 the question is whether he was making a play on the disc while chasing = it. The rules=20 state, "Receiving players may not go out-of-bounds to make a play on the = disc". The junior in question made this call, as he learnt it in 1994 playing = against Sweden.=20 One of the GB Juniors was attempting to catch an overhead, and he = stepped outside=20 of the pitch while the disc was in the air, before coming back in bounds = to make the=20 catch. The Swedish juniors called it even before he attempted to catch = the disc. As far=20 as they were concerned, if he went outside the pitch, he must not = influence the play=20 until the disc was caught. I think the problem is how to define 'making = a play on the disc'.=20 As to whether it should have been called is a totally different matter. = The spirit in this=20 game was not good. Both teams have good spirit records, but that seems = to go out of=20 the window whenever they meet each other. I really don't know why, but = we have=20 vowed to change this next time we meet. The problem here is that some players believe that rules should be = observed, whatever=20 the game. This was not GB Juniors Vs Sweden, but if they don't make the = calls (and=20 have them made against them) in general games, they will get even more = walked over=20 internationally. The same argument applies to dropping the pull. If it = doesn't get called,=20 no one learns. Sure, if they were inexperienced, explain it, and let = them off, but if it's=20 in the rules, and it's likely that it would be called by another team, = you've got to learn. I hope this rule does get cleared up. It's one that's confused me for = years. It's worse indoors, when you consider the walls being out of = bounds. Should you be allowed to push yourself away from the wall to = make a cut? Can you be leaning against a wall when you catch a disc? Or = as any Shotgun player would say, "Who cares? Get outside, get a life!". = Thank God indoors is over for another season. Kevin. --=20 | E-mail Kev@Curved-logic.com Phone (+44)1244-382371 | Silence is better than unmeaning words - Pythagoras