From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 26 16:23:47 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f5QFKKM28581 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:20:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f5QFKH928525 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:20:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost.spencerstuart.com (10.spencerstuart.enterconnect.net [216.80.20.106]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f5QFKGK18497 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:20:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from 10.51.1.50 by mailhost.spencerstuart.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Tue, 26 Jun 2001 10:26:20 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) Received: by eurmailhub.spencerstuart.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <M8VK4T16>; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:19:45 +0100 Message-ID: <1CE8BED757A5D411B85F0002B30806B704F6F0@frantapp01.spencerstuart.com> From: "Ziants, Wayne" <WZiants@spencerstuart.com> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Cc: "'dianaworman@hotmail.com'" <dianaworman@hotmail.com> Subject: Open/Womens Tour Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 16:17:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Diana wrote: > The [women's] final, since nothing was really mentioned of it.... With respect, nothing's been mentioned of anything. In fact the exiles among us could already have pieced together from Hannah's message that Bliss beat Mavis in the women's final. I still don't know who played in the Open final (though I have my suspicions that it could just have easily played on Clapham Common rather than Southampton...?). But I did find out that Albatross won 6 out of 6, and came....21st, which was nice. Can anyone fill in the blanks, both in the Open and Women's? (And while you're at it, anyone know/care whether there should be an apostrophe in "Womens"...always wondered....?) Cheers Wayne Team 42, Germany -----Original Message----- From: Diana Worman [mailto:dianaworman@hotmail.com] Sent: Dienstag, 26. Juni 2001 16:55 To: hannah.easter@philips.com; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: beccahumphries@hotmail.com Subject: Womens Tour Hi all, Just to echo thanks to Maria for organising the women's tour at Southampton. The participation of so many women and teams does an enormous amount to further the development of the women's game at a higher level. I have a few points which I'd like to make. These are personal and do not reflect my team, and are not intended in any way as criticism to the tournament director - who I thought put on a fantastic tournament. 1 - It was a shame that the women's games were relegated to the furthest pitches. I appreciate there may be scheduling problems, but it doesn't really promote a marganalised area of Ultimate. At the same time I'm sure you could ask why lower ranked teams are almost always consistently on the far pitches. It certainly can't be an arguement of standard of pitch because EVERY team that competes is entitled to the same quality of ground. 2 - It was in my view a real shame that the women's final was scheduled to start during the men's final. The fact we had to play on far fields was perhaps an unfortunate conflict of scheduling, but facts remain that a) very few women saw the women's final b) very few other players saw the final - (apart from a very well represented Chevvy). 3 - I'm not asking for a sympathy vote with women's ultimate. I'm saying we need to promote the sport by raising our profile and this involves encouraging both women's and co-ed games. I recently spent a year in Australia where it is standard on the Saturday evening to have a display game of womens and/or co-ed. The standard of support (from ALL players) out there is extremely high, and the game is well supported and very competitive. People actually sit down with beers to watch and cheer on! - I don't expect many players at Tour 3 could even name 4 or more of the women's teams competing. 4 - The development of the Tour is fantastic for open ultimate, but hasn't done much for women's as yet, and I think it is crucial that the women's game completes its integration into this event and gets recognition and support from all players, just the same as co-ed and juniors continue to grow. In recent years women players have done a fantastic amount to promote the sport - Tara Jewell, Laura Pearce, Mavis organisers, student women...the list goes on..and if I haven't named you - sorry!!! 5 - And my last bit of crapping on - The final, since nothing was really mentioned of it. A hotly contested game between Mavis and Bliss, with some players from both teams going to Prague. Some fantastic play, hard running, with Bliss narrowly winning. Many thanks to Mavis for a great game. Diana Bliss _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.