From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 7 17:21:19 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) id f57GHZw10989 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:17:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f57GHXp10975 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:17:33 +0100 (BST) Received: from relay2.nai.com (relay2.nai.com [161.69.3.67]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f57GHSJ29640 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 17:17:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from scwsout1.nai.com (undef-3-73.nai.com [161.69.3.73] (may be forged)) by relay2.nai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24468 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:17:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: FROM ca-ex-bridge2.nai.com BY scwsout1.nai.com ; Thu Jun 07 09:16:18 2001 -0700 Received: by dns-31.dhcp-5.nai.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <MMZXZP8R>; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:28:21 -0700 Message-ID: <B481990C9658D411BD3C009027D6F544261358@ca-exchange3.nai.com> From: "Oakley, Caedman" <caedman_oakley@nai.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: ultimate rules, start stalling Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 09:23:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok - so the UPA rule in effect is: (from 9th Ed. - I don't have my copy of 10th Ed.) http://www.cs.rochester.edu/u/ferguson/ultimate/new-rules.html XIV 5 Stalling. A. A defensive player within three (3) meters of the pivot foot of the thrower may initiate a stall count. If an offensive player moving into the throwing position ''stands over the disc'' (i.e., within three meters) without putting the disc into play, the marker may issue of ''Delay of Game'' warning. If the disc is not picked up, the marker may initiate a stall count. as I understand it this pretty much squares with the WFDF Rule (http://www.wfdf.org/2001ultirulesrev.htm) 404.11 B. Stalling: Once a marker is within 3 m of the thrower, he or she may initiate a count. This consists of the marker calling, "Stalling," and then counting at one second intervals to ten. If the thrower has not released the disc by the first sound of the word "ten," then a change of possession with a check shall result. If during the stall count, the defense switches markers, the new marker must begin a new count at zero. In the event of a stall, the once-marker, now offensive player, does not have to take the disc after the check. The once-thrower, now marker, checks the disc to the new thrower. If he or she does not want the disc, the marker "checks" the disc by placing it on the ground and calling "In play." BUT there is no delay of game reg. here... it seems to me that according to the letter of the law, if you are playing WFDF rules then you can basically stand over the disc until your team is set, and then the stall counts when you take possession. Spirit in this case would seem to apply... *plink plink fizz* Cads > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Wilson [mailto:agwilson@lucent.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 6:49 AM > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Re: ultimate rules, start stalling > > > We were having a similar discussion last night at practice. > > I seem to remember reading somewhere, maybe rec.sport.disc - > so it could be > a UPA rule - that the D could start stalling you if you stood > over the disc > without picking it up. This poses the question - what happens > if you change > your mind and let someone else pick up the disc? > > If you take this to its logical conclusion, you could get stalled out > without even picking up the disc... which doesn't seem right to me. > > Is this one of those grey areas where spirit is the key? >