From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 26 12:44:35 1997 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id MAA10961; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:18 GMT Received: from amsta.leeds.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id MAA10940; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:10 GMT Received: from newton.leeds.amsta (newton.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.36.64]) by amsta.leeds.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA18724 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:12 GMT Received: by newton.leeds.amsta (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id MAA21439; Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:22 GMT Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:24:22 GMT From: amtsjh@amsta.leeds.ac.uk (S J Hill) Message-Id: <199703261224.MAA21439@newton.leeds.amsta> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: TOUR INFO (plus a predicable comment about Spirit and Calls) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hi So you missed the closing date for Hitchin? Well there are still spaces. But there is a complication. Dora is going (has gone) to Rimini for a few days which means that we can no longer confirm your entry until next Wednesday. You might want to get in touch with me to let me know that you have sent the moeny etc to Dora, but I can't tell you if you have got in or not because I don't know who else has done that. Teams I DO know about are (in rough order of paying deposit) Catch Strange Blue Jedi Druids Village Gun Bliss Squawks Stan 1st Touch Phat'Eds I Sneeeky's Headrush Red Jesters Chevron Oxford Ultimate Superfly And I understand that details/money have been sent by Violently Happy Hurricane so they will also make it! I have also heard from one or two other teams that they are about to put their money in the post - so I presume they too will not have any trouble getting one of the spaces. So if your team wants to be in, then send the money (and tell me that you have) - but we cannot now confirm your place until Wednesday (when we will hopefully be confirming many other tournament details). Before you say "this isn't fair" remember that you have already missed the closing date, and that at least 15 teams didn't! I will be around all Easter w/e at home 0113 289 0971 - but also nipping in to do some work from time to time - so I will also be reading email. Si I was interested to read Rob's comment about calls etc. I remember discussing this point with a couple of the Strollers about a year ago. Now obviously these guys have been playing for quite a while. Their point was that it appeared to them that they could visibly detect a movement in the focus of where spirit was being displayed. IE - loads of really funny post-game calls taking precedence over a clear, fair, thoughtful SPIRITED approach to play ON THE PITCH by people who know the rules. I am not slagging people's spirit here - but agreeing with a couple of "emminent" people who have commented about this and related topics. (Re-read Rafi's bit in one of the Ultimatum's recently. Its worth thinking about. Also Scott made a good point about standing firm over something in the face of celebrations. Why not ask Andy C. from Chevron just how hard this is. The recent argument sparked by our team taking dropped pulls is another good illustration of how spirit is seen differently by different teams.) I think Red did what they did this w/e partly to spark off some conversation along these lines. Good for them. We (I was playing with Stan) played them this w/e. The game hinged on an endzone call where one of their players caught the disc touching the line. Their spirit was excellent from my point of view. And after the game they made it very clear that they wanted their spirit ON THE PITCH to be recognised not their ability to make am amusing song up (sorry about the split infinitive). AND FINALLY... ever beaten a team in an important, really close game and then subjected them to a really funny call that takes 5 minutes? Do you think that was enjoyable after they'd just been knocked out of Nationals? Sometimes a short call, or even no-call might just be the best way to respect your opponents. (NB - please do NOT think I am saying that teams shouldn't circle-up after the game - I think that is a great tradition.) And really finally - if you haven't seen Mythago's call (Rob is from Mythago for anyone who doesn't know) - check it out. Its one of the best I've ever seen.