From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 29 09:50:36 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f2T8lqZ10512 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:47:52 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2T8lox10505 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:47:50 +0100 (BST) Received: from 132.reverse.qatraining.com (132.reverse.qatraining.com [195.216.12.132]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2T8lnL01830 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:47:50 +0100 (BST) Received: by 132.reverse.qatraining.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <HCDBW2MV>; Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:46:10 +0100 Message-ID: <D572BA4A4D12D5118CBB00508BB97568029E8F@ZNEWBURY01> From: Paul Meaney <Paul.Meaney@qa.com> To: "'BRITDISC' (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Indoors Sucks and the DamBuster Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 09:48:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk an insult to a > beautiful sport and is detrimental to the long term > development of Ultimate. hmm.....and indoors JUST SO HAPPENS to roughly coincide with the beginning of the university/ school academic year and is a perfect way for new players to be introduced the game and learn how to master difficult throws without having to play outdoors in winter in freezing cold, high velocity winds and pissing rain which I'm SURE would encourage a massive recruitement surge. While there are a whole heap of reasons why outdoors is lightyears better than indoors, IMHO Indoors should not be slammed but accepted for what it is - the training ground for the next generation of ultimate players and for the rest of us, something energetic to do during the off season. In this respect indoors should be encouraged for it's duration but that people should be shown the beauty of outdoors ASAP. Oh yeah - for those who say indoors is s**t, try this little nugget of wisdom - if you can figure out how to create space on an indoor pitch, just imagine how much space you're going to create for yourself on a full size outdoor pitch. And for those of you who say 'but you can throw all kinds of tossy crap' well indoors doesn;t half improve your man- on D awareness, as if you play that lazy outdoors- type poach then that tossy b/f scuba goes, the opposition scores and you look like you were being lazy! Indoors really does teach quick hands. In addition the scoring leap pass (or 'dambuster') can constitue 'harmful endangerment' (according to the 2000 WFDF rules) *only* if a defensive player did not give up his territory. If a D player moves into a place where a dambuster move is being implemented, then I'm afraid that's hard luck as once a player is airborne, it is impossible for him (or her) to change direction. IF , however, that D player was already there before the player made his jump, then that is a foul. However that is where it remains and curently there is no penalty for a player who repeatedly endangers the safety of other players. And as to the 'shitty 4 man zone D' - I saw two textbook examples of applying this over the weekend - BAF vs Fusion in the semi and Headrush vs Bears(I think) in the plate final. In the first - BAF came out playing hard man, took a five point cushion and then threw a junk - collapsing into a four man zone when the disc neared the endzone. Fusion found this very tough to break and BAF ran out about 8/ 9 minutes of the clock this way. They then played the remainder of the game as man on man D, trading the game out to 12 -7/8. A great use of the zone to run out the clock in the middle to give their opponents less time to stage a comeback. Likewise headrush - one point up with about 2/3 mins to go. Totally impenetrable four man zone and again ran the clock out. Tactically IHMO that's the way to play. It certainly makes for absorbing, if not hugely exciting, spectating. And that really is one of the key points of an indoor zone - run the clock out. Congratulations to HorseBandits on winning the final and to both teams for an entertaining game. Paul