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Hi ho,
Can you please let us know how many/if you are coming? =20
Specifically, we need to know:
Team name
Are you a full team? (i.e. do you need pick up players? If so, say 'no')
Number of players that are coming
Name of the hostel/B&B that you are staying at.
I know a few of you have sent me e-mails, revising how many people are=20
probably coming. Even if you have, can you send the above info. I'm afrai=
d=20
my inbox is a little clogged!
To cut down on e-mail volume, I will forward you information about the deta=
ils=20
of the tournament, when you send in your confirmation notice,
Thanks,
Peter
Pookas, Dublin Ultimate.
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> 2) Spirit at the Nationals.
>
> On the whole this was excellent, as far as play went. However, with some
> teams that's about as far as it went. 2 teams spring to mind, let's call
> them Blue and Tract (Unirary) Infection (TUI). The games were good
> spirited, well, apart from 1, no prizes for guessing who it was against,
I think the team that you are talking about is Red (not to be confussed
with Strange Blue as Dora mentions).
> and it wasn't the second team mentioned. However it was in the all
> important after game back/hand slapping that it all went to pot. In my
> view this is one of the most important parts of the game, as it gives the
> teams a chance to talk over the game, chat about dodgy calls, apologise
> and so on. The calls also help heal any wounds.
Forgive us for having different view of what the spirit is about! To us
the spirit of the game is about what happens on the field of play not the
after game performances. As far as dodgy calls go, dispute them. I
don't recall having any dodgy calls in the game personally, but we are a
team that believes that spirit means calling fouls, not-ins when there
has been a clear breach - sometimes this is unpopular but is certainly
not against the spirit of the game. We wouldn't ever do anything to
bring into question the spirit. One of the most comon breeches of spirit
that I see all the time is people who land on the line or not in and then
start celebrating their point whilst the player who has just spotted the
not-in and made the call takes it back (incorrectly) in the face of the
celebrations. This player has wrongly assumed that making the call is
bad spirited. Psychologically this is the hardest call to make and
peoples perception of the spirit (as you demonstrate) feeds on this - and
you call that the spirit?
As for the end of game call - I say each to their own. Ours have got
worse and worse and we prefer to spend our long journies planning
strategies rather than calls. Genuine apologies tho for our spokes
person whose manner of delivery leaves a lot to be desired, needless to
say we didn't let him talk again!
Scott
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From: "Williams, Mark" <markw@pantek.co.uk>
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I would like to echo Scotts sentiments, we also played Red at the weekend in
what was a closely (and fairly) contested game. Red scored a "point" with 1
minute to go but one of our players called a stall-out, Red accepted this
and consequently we scored to win the game, I know, your thinking this is
not the first time that Chevron has done this (in fact this is fast becoming
our favourite play!!) but my point is about the spirit the Red players
showed in accepting the call. After the game Duncan made a speech and
"We're Red we don't call" was stated but that doesn't mean the spirit wasn't
there, the calls in the game were talked about and Red and Chevron exchanged
congratulations. Sorry Rob but I cannot see your reasoning behind thinking
that Red are bad spirited just because they can't think of an entertaining
call, but then I don't know what happened in the game or in the get together
afterwards - just trying to put another teams perspective on the matter.
Mark
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>> 2) Spirit at the Nationals.
>>
>> On the whole this was excellent, as far as play went. However, with some
>> teams that's about as far as it went. 2 teams spring to mind, let's call
>> them Blue and Tract (Unirary) Infection (TUI). The games were good
>> spirited, well, apart from 1, no prizes for guessing who it was against,
>
>I think the team that you are talking about is Red (not to be confussed
>with Strange Blue as Dora mentions).
>
>> and it wasn't the second team mentioned. However it was in the all
>> important after game back/hand slapping that it all went to pot. In my
>> view this is one of the most important parts of the game, as it gives the
>> teams a chance to talk over the game, chat about dodgy calls, apologise
>> and so on. The calls also help heal any wounds.
>
>Forgive us for having different view of what the spirit is about! To us
>the spirit of the game is about what happens on the field of play not the
>after game performances. As far as dodgy calls go, dispute them. I
>don't recall having any dodgy calls in the game personally, but we are a
>team that believes that spirit means calling fouls, not-ins when there
>has been a clear breach - sometimes this is unpopular but is certainly
>not against the spirit of the game. We wouldn't ever do anything to
>bring into question the spirit. One of the most comon breeches of spirit
>that I see all the time is people who land on the line or not in and then
>start celebrating their point whilst the player who has just spotted the
>not-in and made the call takes it back (incorrectly) in the face of the
>celebrations. This player has wrongly assumed that making the call is
>bad spirited. Psychologically this is the hardest call to make and
>peoples perception of the spirit (as you demonstrate) feeds on this - and
>you call that the spirit?
>
>As for the end of game call - I say each to their own. Ours have got
>worse and worse and we prefer to spend our long journies planning
>strategies rather than calls. Genuine apologies tho for our spokes
>person whose manner of delivery leaves a lot to be desired, needless to
>say we didn't let him talk again!
>
>Scott
>Red and proud of it - Up the revolution
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> Tel: 0116 2525824
> Fax: 0116 2523154
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From: Rob Cole <me3101@Bristol.ac.uk>
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Well spotted evryone for my silly mistake. I did not mean Strange Blue by Blue,
I meant another team and decided to call them Blue. Stupid of me. I apologise
to any member of Strange Blue who may have been offended, we have played you
once, as far as I can remember, and it was played in excellen spirit. Most
people at Nationals can guess who 'Blue' (Not the Strange variety) are if they
played them.
Second I was refering to after game calls, not calls made during the game
itself.
Thirdly, Scott, thanks for the reply. I totaly agree with what you said
about dodgy in-calls, fouls and so on, beleive me I have seen enough in my
time, particularly when playing with a certain Bud Tilton (isn't it
amazing how much people suddenly start travelling when you play against
him?). You said that in your view spirit is just what goes on in the game,
but I think it is more than that, it is how teams and individuals approach
Ultimate, before during and after games, from the captains tossing the
disks and shaking hands to the after game calls. Often the only chance to
repair any damage caused by the game is imediately afterwards during the
post game bit, as people soon have other things on their mind, like beer.
And if you leave it, too often it ends up being too late and your team
decide that the opposition were bad spirited. At Leeds one of the Jesters
came up to me, after the end of game calls, to tell us what they thought
one of our supporters, who had been particularly vocal about one in-call
during the game, and then even more vocal about the spirit of the
decision. And I have to say that I totaly agreed with him, our supporter
was out of line, and had no right to go on like he did and it brought the
whole tone of the game down slightly. But I guess that's something to
learn from.
Finally could someone clear a point up for me. If the offense have the
disc on the edge of the zone, and the deffense are playing zone d, does
the double team rule still apply, or can the defense have as many people
around the disc as they like, as long as the second, third etc player is
in the zone? A simple reply will do. Sorry for all the spelling mistakes
and maths errors (Come on, I'm and Engineer, what do you expect?), hope to
see you all soon,
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Rob Cole
#7, "The Guv'nor", Mythago Captain, 1996-7
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From: t.d.collins@open.ac.uk (Trevor Collins)
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Dear BD'ers
Scott wrote...
>Forgive us for having different view of what the spirit is about! To us
>the spirit of the game is about what happens on the field of play not the
>after game performances.
Is'nt this just highlighting the need for two spirit groupings - on and off
the pitch?? The spirit of play - sportsmanship, karma and stuff is quiet
different from partying spirit.
If we are to encourage both forms of spirit, and I certainly feel we
should, do'nt we have to recognise them and reward them seperately??
This is one for tournament organisers rather than players only you have the
power to make it so. If this is a view you support?...
Just thoughts from the backbenches,
Happy Easter - Moos,
Trevor.
Mad Kows.
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> Finally could someone clear a point up for me. If the offense have the
> disc on the edge of the zone, and the deffense are playing zone d, does
> the double team rule still apply, or can the defense have as many people
> around the disc as they like, as long as the second, third etc player is
> in the zone? A simple reply will do. Sorry for all the spelling mistakes
> and maths errors (Come on, I'm and Engineer, what do you expect?), hope to
> see you all soon,
If you are refering to the call made in our game then you have missed the
point completely. A double team was called when your own (offensive)
team had more than one of your own players within three meters of the
disc (two others infact). Just so long as those players are within that
area the defnece can move in to mark them. In other words if you have
three of your own players within thre meters of the disc so can the
opposition. Is that what this is all about?
Scott
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