From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Mar 26 12:31:55 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f2QBUag22194 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:30:36 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2QBUYx22181 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:30:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail.totalise.co.uk (mail.totalise.co.uk [212.1.157.18]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f2QBUYg13276 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:30:34 +0100 (BST) X-WM-Posted-At: mail.totalise.co.uk; Mon, 26 Mar 01 12:30:23 +0100 X-WebMail-UserID: ruth11 Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 12:30:23 +0100 From: Ruth Taylor <ruth11@totalise.co.uk> To: britdisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> X-EXP32-SerialNo: 50000112 Subject: RE: The flying leap point Message-ID: <3C23C46F@mail.totalise.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.61.08 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk We all play this sport expecting a little bit of contact, despite it being a "non-contact" sport. You can't tell me that you've never been clobbered by somebody when you've gone up for a 50/50 disc. I agree that this particular play might be deemed "asking for it" on the part of the offensive player, but as you say, it would be an offensive foul. This in itself should be enough to make the O player pick his spot and land without touching another player. Personally, I reckon that more often than not, when the O player has aready lept, seeing a gap, the D player then decides to move into the path of the leap to try to stop it. That's instinctive and is probably more what like what happens - it all happens so fast it's hard to tell. But in that case, it's the D player's own fault. As a woman who plays this game, I don't expect the men to pull their plays just because I'm on the pitch and hate the way you mentioned that you were only glad it wasn't one of your female players who got hit. How patronising? We may be smaller and lighter than you lads, but we play knowing the risks and are prepared to take it. If we weren't, we'd all stick to women's Ultimate. As far as I'm concerned, this play is fine. If I'm hit, I'll call it. If I'm injured, it was an accident - I'm sure the O player didn't mean to do it. I dunno, next you'll be saying that a lay-out D bid is dangerous and shouldn't be attempted because you "might" take out the offensive player! >===== Original Message From Stephen Giguere <SGiguere@bluews.com> ===== >Hey britdiscers, > >Something that's getting more and more frequently in these >indoor games is this "play" of running in from a half to a quarter >of the pitch away from the opposite zone, leaping into the air >to catch the disc and fly into the end zone for the point. It's >particularly popular against a flood defence. >My question is... does anyone realise that this is not only really >annoying and exhibits rather poor spirit, but is a rather dangerous >tactic. It's only a matter of time before some clever individual >sails into the zone and takes out someone on our team. In the >smaller gymnasiums the wall is only just behind the defender and >a direct collision from someone at speed in the air into a >member of the opposing team's defence could result in very serious >injury. I know one of my team member was clipped in the shoulder >quite hard during one of these plays on the weekend and I was >thankful is wasn't one of our women. >I've played in both the States and Canada and tactics like this >received rather harsh punishment from the leagues governing >body and the tour directors as it is considered by the rules to >be dangerous play. >The annoying aspect of it aside from the above is the tendency >for people with bad timing to try it again and again everytime >catching the disc and THEN jumping into the zone and then >waste time bickering about it. >I don't expect anyone to read this email and have a revelation >and never do it again but it would be nice for next years indoor >teams to try to get a handle on it before we end up with these >Michael Jordan points flying in from 6 feet outside the zone a >good 4 feet in the air clobbering anything it it's path. >You could say it's a perfectly legal play and if you move through >someone it's an offensive foul. Ok fine, no point then, that's >correct but it doesn't change the fact that one of our players might >end up with a concussion or worse from being sent backwards >into the wall. > >-Steve >and yes I do realise these points happen accidentally sometimes. ----------------------- The Totalise Email system, probably the most flexible email system in the world. To register for an account goto http:/www.totalise.net