From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 26 22:00:51 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1QLtlc15400 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:55:47 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1QLtjh15382 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:55:45 GMT Received: from viper.usafa.af.mil (viper.usafa.af.mil [204.34.211.81]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1QLthF24440 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:55:43 GMT Received: from viper.usafa.af.mil (root@localhost) by viper.usafa.af.mil with ESMTP id OAA20916 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:50:44 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.usafa.af.mil (hermes.usafa.af.mil [128.236.5.5]) by viper.usafa.af.mil with ESMTP id OAA20895 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:50:43 -0700 (MST) Received: from hermes.usafa.af.mil (hermes.usafa.af.mil [128.236.5.5]) by hermes.usafa.af.mil (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3/fast-hermes) with SMTP id OAA12488 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:57:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from fsxqpz01.usafa.af.mil ([128.236.5.60]) by hermes.usafa.af.mil (NAVGW 2.2 bld 75) with SMTP id M2001022614574802523 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:57:48 -0700 Received: by exchange.usafa.af.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2607.0) id <FCM9ZZJQ>; Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:55:31 -0700 Message-ID: <15A5B6227F19D311856E0090274645350263194B@fsxqpz05.usafa.af.mil> From: Schuricht Paul Dr USAFA/DFAN <Paul.Schuricht@usafa.af.mil> To: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: FW: Students & the Tour (was Tour Dates etc.) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:55:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2607.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Oops this reply was meant to go to Britdisc, not just Jonathan. -----Original Message----- From: Schuricht Paul Dr USAFA/DFAN Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 10:02 AM To: 'Jonathan Palmer' Subject: RE: Students & the Tour (was Tour Dates etc.) Under the american system (college tournaments in the spring, open tourneys in the fall) there is no 3/4 year probation. Just because you played in the college division in the spring does not prevent you playing in the open divison in the fall. All you need is a team to play for, if you are serious about your ultimate then that you should be able to sort that out. If you can keep you college team together for the fall series then that's good, though some times there are the usual problems with holidays. Otherwise you could start practicing with a local team and play for them in the fall - A great way for students players to gain more experience. Or you could form a team for the fall with the other students from local colleges who want to play in the open division. Sonic -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Palmer [mailto:jonathan.palmer@ic.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 8:44 AM To: BritDisc Subject: Re: Students & the Tour (was Tour Dates etc.) Ben, > One of the options with Chris Hughes' plan for dividing the Tour (which we > shelved due to lack of attendees at the AGM) is to vary the prices across > the divisions. This would mean that the generally non-student top division > would pay more for a 'superior experience' and the lower divisions > (*generally* where *most* of the student teams fit) would get the usual > bargain events we're all used to. Please spare me the "how well the > University of Central Studentshire did" rant - yes there are some great > student outdoor teams around but they will *never* threaten the top eight > teams just as there are no uni soccer teams in the premiership (bad analogy > but you get the point) If you are talking about individual uni teams then I agree with *never*, but if you look at teams that are student teams then I disagree. Look at teams like DSM, the SE student All stars more than held their own against Hammerage a few weeks ago etc. Surely as ultimate grows and more and more people learn to play at a junior level more and more students will be able to cut it at the top level. The idea of following the American system and splitting of the student players I think is a bad one. To force the top players into a 3/4 year probationary system before being allowed to play (dare is say it) Serious ultimate would be very bad for British ultimate. The top student players need the experience of the tour/European-World Clubs/GB to improve their game. We need a system were they can do that whilst continuing to support their student teams. Cheers Jon