From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 17:36:38 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1MHYqm02695 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:34:52 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MHYoh02685 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:34:50 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f214.law4.hotmail.com [216.33.149.214]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MHYnF09799 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:34:49 GMT Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 09:34:38 -0800 Received: from 193.82.207.155 by lw4fd.law4.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:34:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [193.82.207.155] From: "Gareth Goo" <gareth_goo@hotmail.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: RE: Tour Dates Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 17:34:38 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F214jvj5SxW3kyGB4I10000c113@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Feb 2001 17:34:38.0136 (UTC) FILETIME=[BACE0B80:01C09CF5] Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Ok. No I haven't held a tour tournament. I have held a student one, but having only just graduated I haven't quite got round to a tour. But that's besides the point. The reason there has been a response to the mail is compounded by the fact that it comes from (although not on behalf of, or representing) a team which does do a lot for Ultimate. I think little name calling is silly, but at the same time the comment was bound to get people's backs up when you question their commitment to a sport which basically only exists because of the time and effort EVERYONE puts in, that means not simply being TD but attending, playing, paying the lot. Basically we all know we have a problem with the tour because of venues and rising costs, and the increase in team numbers in general, placing more pressure upon "someone" to come up with the answer. Increasing the fee may well be a part of that answer, but prior warning of quite such a jump might have been a good idea with hindsight, do we not think? And a student discount doesn't really seem all THAT unreasonable does it? Hell, students are the backbone of most tournaments, basically because they have the time and the drinking capacity to be there all the time and I think the response was a bit harsh. Can we not start slamming everyone that decides to join the discussion and start taking sides, since this IS supposed to be a british ultimate forum....not bitching. Errrr...I think that's all my change gone from my piggy bank and some extra from my sock drawer...... Gareth - Hammerage ex. Fish _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com