From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 15:08:35 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1MF5AZ08032 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:05:10 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MF57h08005 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:05:07 GMT Received: from judy.ic.ac.uk (judy.ic.ac.uk [155.198.5.28]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MF51Y20999 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:05:06 GMT Received: from juliet.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.5.4]) by judy.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14VxIi-0004pD-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:05:00 +0000 Received: from icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk ([155.198.3.6]) by juliet.ic.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 14VxIw-0005dX-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:05:14 +0000 Received: from peter (dialup-10-6.net.ic.ac.uk [155.198.8.150]) by icex6.cc.ic.ac.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id CGZR5QH3; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 15:04:56 -0000 Message-ID: <011101c09ce0$21d098e0$9e08c69b@peter> From: "Jonathan Palmer" <jonathan.palmer@ic.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <E14VwYk-0002TU-00@virgo.cus.cam.ac.uk> Subject: Students & the Tour (was Tour Dates etc.) Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 14:59:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Chris/Dora, I think most people appreciate the effort and time put in to the organizing of the tour, and I agree that the level of representation at the AGM is pretty sad, BUT on the issue of student participation in tour events I disagree. Most of the student based teams (with the exception of Skunks and RSB) play in the 16-32 and didn't qualify for Nationals. So your asking these student teams to fork out 50 quid for a train ticket and find accommodation for the night to go to the AGM to put their point across that British ultimate is too expensive for students?? I don't buy that, britdisc is a fine forum for these issues to be discussed it's easy and cost nothing. Secondly I don't remember Tour costs being an advertised topic of discussion at the AGM, and on doing a brief scan of the britdisc archive I can't find any mention there either. Thirdly, You have to have to have a team to get a proxy vote, so what are newly forming student based teams supposed to do to get their point across? Wait until the tour is over and go to the next AGM or try and get a sensible discussion (not whining) on britdisc? Chris or whoever's responsibility it is what is your position on some sort of student discounts? Jon Palmer (DiscDoctors) ----- Original Message ----- From: Dora Kemp <dak12@cam.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:20 PM Subject: Tour Dates etc. > To everyone out there...take note. > > People seem perfectly willing to complain about Tour issues on email (such > as the higher fees this year) where it is easy. But did anyone show up at > the AGM where these issues were discussed extensively. No - despite all the > prior announcements about the meeting and active persuasion at the Nationals > themselves. With 16 teams at the Nationals only two were represented outside > the BUF committees and that included the hosting team! > > If people want to have a say in British Ultimate and make their say count > then they have to make the effort and COME TO THE AGM! There are a few > hard-working people out there desperately trying to run this show but > without much encouragement or thanks from the rest of the community. > > Dora Kemp > Strange Blue