From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Feb 22 13:47:14 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1MDia908252 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:44:36 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MDiXh08238 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:44:33 GMT Received: from mailgw.chelt.ac.uk (mailgw.chelt.ac.uk [194.81.184.203]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1MDiXY02945 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:44:33 GMT Received: from exchange.chelt.ac.uk (unverified) by mailgw.chelt.ac.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.5) with ESMTP id <Tc251b8cb51e2cc8e3a@mailgw.chelt.ac.uk> for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:43:27 +0000 Received: by exchange.chelt.ac.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <FLNPSZS8>; Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:42:16 -0000 Message-ID: <E8E2FD6D7B77D411A768009027E01DB313799B@exchange.chelt.ac.uk> From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> To: "BritDisc (E-mail)" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Tour Dates Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 13:42:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Of course the cost will put people off. But until ultimate players have a complete rethink of their attitudes towards the organisation of ultimate and tournaments the tour is dead. It will not progress beyond this year or the next in its present form. It needs to change. But - people like the large events, which are difficult to organise, difficult to provide quality facilities like hot showers (ever been to a concert where the toilets have backed up Paul?), and very difficult to book. Few venues have the facilities to cope with over 600 people wanting a shower in two hours. So to provide these facilities the cost will escalate, and these events are still run on a shoe string with little reward for organisers. These organisers are doing more and more as fewer and fewer people are prepared to get involved. So that is the bottom line - don't get me wrong, the tour is a fantastic concept and has worked well, but is too big to survive in its present form - the tour is a dinosaur - and like the dinosaur it is going to be extinct - and in the meantime you are going to be paying for life support. In the meantime - don't winge to me, don't winge to Britdisc - the time to complain was at the AGM, and most of you weren't there. Chris DoC -----Original Message----- From: Paul Eastman [mailto:pde@dcs.ed.ac.uk] Sent: 22 February 2001 13:14 To: Ruth Taylor Cc: Mark Lean; BritDisc Subject: RE: Tour Dates Ruth, I think your argument fails all over the shop. Last year we, Ro-Sham-Bo played only 3 of the 4 tours, and still managed to qualify for nationals! All this was done by students, and we never took 12 people to a tournament.There are student teams out there who consider themselves quite seriousand as we proved last year we should be able to compete, because we just might suprise a few people. The cost may well put teams off, and so will attitudes like that. Paul Eastman Ro-Sham-Bo Edinburgh Student Ultimate pde@dcs.ed.ac.uk