From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Feb 12 20:06:06 2001 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id f1CK3qw13664 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:52 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1CK3oh13654 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:50 GMT Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id f1CK3nY04702 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:49 GMT Received: from modem-19.colorado.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.57.19] helo=ben) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #0) id 14SPCM-000229-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:47 +0000 Message-ID: <017901c0952f$e878b440$1339893e@ben> From: "Ben Ravilious" <ben@ravilious.net> To: "BRITDISC" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <B6ADB706.1CC9%nolan@daletaylor.co.uk> Subject: Re: BUF Events Reminder Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 19:35:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Re Disc Golf on BUF Diary: I can turn off their pacemakers all too easily if there is enough of a majority in favour of doing this! As a reneral rule it is better to have multiple optional Internet services rather than lumping things together. Remember Britdisc slitting off from Eurodisc, Student-Ultimate egroup splitting from Britdisc, etc? Provided people have the option to have both (which they would even if two entirely separate diary systems existed) then there shouldn't be a problem. This somewhat revives a long-running debate about whether disc sports should be run separately or bundled into a bigger 'product'. I notice that as ultimate players have become more serious about what they do the general opinion seems to have drifted towards separation. I think the same is generally true of disc golf players. You might find there are just as many ultimate players who would be interested in football results but that doesn't mean they have to be on the same diary. I think it was Toby Green who first argued against 'disc sports' as an entity on the basis that it presented a confusing image to newcomers. FWIW, I am generally of this opinion myself though there are certain places where we can benefit from working together (putting 'disc sports' leaflets in discs sold in shops was always a good idea and maybe some day soon we'll have the manpower to actually make it happen). Try convincing WFDF that dealing with the sports separately is a good idea and you will see just how backwards we really are. Many foreign 'flying disc associations' do nothing other than ultimate which surely damages the other disc sports more than anything else. It seems Britain and Switzerland are alone in Europe as countries who have totally independent (and flourishing?) organisations for each sport. I have been arguing that this is in fact healthy but there hasn't been a change in personnel at WFDF in about ten years as far as I can see so we're still running on some very old ideas. Convince me that the prospect of more golf events in the diary is abhorent to the majority of players and maybe we'll do something about it. Come to think of it, 'Britdisc' is bit old hat.... Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nolan" <nolan@daletaylor.co.uk> To: "Britdisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sent: 12 February 2001 15:51 Subject: Re: BUF Events Reminder > At last someone has said what I've been thinking for about three years. I > really can't be bothered reading the events reminder anymore, as I have to > wade through detritus to get to any real sport. Let's do it. I'm sure the > golfers can manage setting up their own mailout. > > BUF does stand for British ULTIMATE Federation, or did I miss something? > > Nolan > > > From: "Paul Unwin (GC_11_PO)" <punwin@grantham.ac.uk> > > Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 14:31:00 -0000 > > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > > Subject: RE: BUF Events Reminder > > > > When are we going to have a separate diary for golf? > > > > I dont want to know about the Frost breaker, spring fling or the hayling > > island hurricane. > > > > Coz Ultimate rules! > > > > Stig > > > > ---------- > > From: British Ultimate Federation > > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > > Subject: BUF Events Reminder > > Date: 12 February 2001 13:31 > > > > BRITISH ULTIMATE FEDERATION DISC EVENTS DIARY > > > > See http://www.ultimateweb.co.uk/buf/ for updates. > > Contact the BUF at buf@ultimateweb.co.uk > > Create your tournament web page at http://www.ultilinks.com/tournaments/ > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 17 FEBRUARY 2001 (2 DAYS) - FROSTBREAKER > > Location: whitcombe farm, beaminster, dorset - [Disc Golf] > > > > first leg of the 2001 bdga tour. > > 54 holes of golf over sat and sunday for all players, plus final rounds > > sunday afternnon. > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > Alternative Email: tobygreen@attglobal.net > > Home Phone: 01622871640 > > Mobile: 07887628544 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 24 FEBRUARY 2001 (2 DAYS) - PROSPECTIVE PRE REGIONAL INDOOR OPEN THANG > > Location: Clifton, NOTTINGHAM - [Indoor Ultimate] > > > > If it doesn't Clash with the more important tournaments of this period, come > > and tone up your play with 11 other teams at Nottinghams Brand new venue. > > > > Two halls > > 12 teams... > > 8 places available > > > > get on it > > > > Sam Rey > > TNTUUS, Byron House, Shakespeare Street, Nottingham, NG? > > Main Email: samanir@breathe.com > > Alternative Email: fly2k@egroups.com > > Work Phone: 0115 988 1029 > > Mobile: 07866 336643 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 24 FEBRUARY 2001 (2 DAYS) - STUDENT INDOOR NATIONALS > > Location: Meadowbank Sports Centre, Edinburgh - [Indoor Ultimate] > > > > > > > > Lindsay Cuthbertson > > 16 Mayfield Road (Top Flat), Edinburgh, EH9 2NJ, , > > Main Email: L.F.Cuthbertson@sms.ed.ac.uk > > Home Phone: 0131 667 0154 > > Mobile: 07776 187819 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 24 FEBRUARY 2001 (2 DAYS) - INDOOR REGIONALS > > Location: tba - [Indoor Ultimate] > > > > Specific venues and times to be confirmed > > > > > > > > Chris Hughes > > Main Email: cjhughes@talk21.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 03 MARCH 2001 (2 DAYS) - INDOOR REGIONALS > > Location: Everywhere - [Indoor Ultimate] > > > > Specific venues and times to be confirmed > > > > Chris Hughes > > Main Email: cjhughes@talk21.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 10 MARCH 2001 (2 DAYS) - INDOOR REGIONALS > > Location: Everywhere - [Indoor Ultimate] > > > > Specific venues and time to be confirmed > > > > > > Chris Hughes > > Main Email: cjhughes@talk21.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 24 MARCH 2001 (2 DAYS) - INDOOR NATIONALS > > Location: Cheltenham - [Indoor Ultimate] > > > > To be confirmed closer to date > > > > > > Chris Hughes > > Main Email: chughes@talk21.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 31 MARCH 2001 (2 DAYS) - SPRING FLING > > Location: bristol - [Disc Golf] > > > > 2nd leg of the bdga 2001 tour > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 07 APRIL 2001 (2 DAYS) - DUBLIN TOURNAMENT 2000 > > Location: Either UCD or Phoenix Park - [Outdoor Ultimate] > > > > This is the seventh annual tournament. We have had teams from Ireland, > > England Scotland, Wales, France and Germany competing in the past with > > "WeiBblau" from Germany being the current holders. This year is(partly due > > to the venue change and a hope of it being televised) expected to the > > biggest and best ever. > > > > http://www.geocities.com/ucdultimate > > > > Oisin Flanagan > > 9 Cullenswood Gardens, , Ranelagh,, Dublin 6, , > > Main Email: o_flanagan@yahoo.com > > Alternative Email: skizwan@yahoo.com > > Home Phone: 01 4971862 > > Mobile: 086 312 3364 > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 05 MAY 2001 (2 DAYS) - TOM'S TOURNEY > > Location: Brugges, Belgium - [Outdoor Ultimate] > > > > Historically: 24 teams; 5 pitches; Saturday games to 30mins; sunday games to > > 40mins > > Accommodation can be booked via TD at local hostels (Bauhaus & Europa) or > > Campsite > > Dinner available on Saturday night > > Saturday night party > > GREAT BEER > > > > http://www.brugge.com/sports/sport/freezzzbeezzz/tom.htm > > > > Glenn Nolf > > Main Email: glenn@km.be > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 05 MAY 2001 (2 DAYS) - SCOTTISH OPEN > > Location: ulva ferry isle of mull - [Disc Golf] > > > > 3rd leg of the bdga tour 2001 > > (this replaces event on calendar for april 5/6) > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 09 JUNE 2001 (2 DAYS) - HAYLING HURRICANE > > Location: hayling island nr portsmouth - [Disc Golf] > > > > 4th leg bdga tour 2001 > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 30 JUNE 2001 (2 DAYS) - BRITISH OPEN > > Location: whitcombe farm, beaminster, dorset - [Disc Golf] > > > > 5th leg bdga tour 2001 > > also the british leg of the 'eurotour south' disc golf tour. > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 06 JULY 2001 (2 DAYS) - BONGOS CLASSIC > > Location: london - [Disc Golf] > > > > leg 6 of the bdga 2001 tour. > > event and venue to be confirmed > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 08 JULY 2001 (7 DAYS) - EUROPEAN ULTIMATE CLUB CHAMPIONSHIPS > > Location: Prague - [Outdoor Ultimate] > > > > > > > > http://eucc.frisbee.cz > > > > TBC > > Main Email: TBC > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 21 JULY 2001 (2 DAYS) - QUARRY PARK OPEN > > Location: quarry park, kenilworth, warwick - [Disc Golf] > > > > 7th bdga tour 2001 > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 25 AUGUST 2001 (2 DAYS) - CALEDONIAN OPEN > > Location: edinburgh, scotland - [Disc Golf] > > > > leg 8 bdga tour 2001 > > date and venue tbc > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 22 SEPTEMBER 2001 (2 DAYS) - SOLSTICE 5 > > Location: burnlaw, nr newcastle - [Disc Golf] > > > > bdga tour 2001 leg 9 > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > 06 OCTOBER 2001 (2 DAYS) - ESSEX OPEN > > Location: essex university, colchester - [Disc Golf] > > > > bdga tour 2001 leg 10 > > the last open event of this years tour > > date tbc > > > > andy lucey > > Main Email: andylucey@yahoo.com > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > > > >