From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Dec 22 10:26:21 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id eBMAKJ627559 for britdisc-outgoing; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:20:19 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBMAKGX27539 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:20:17 GMT Received: from netmail.co.uk (netmail.netmail.co.uk [194.205.11.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id eBMAK3u21624 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:20:13 GMT Received: from PROXY2 (PROXY2 [194.205.11.21]) by netmail.co.uk (NTMail 3.03.0017/4c.afxy) with ESMTP id ha580613 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:20:12 +0000 Received: from ben [218.99.151.24] by vac.uk.com [127.0.0.1] with SMTP (MDaemon.v2.84.R) for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:19:57 +0000 From: "Ben Rolfe" <ben.rolfe@vac.uk.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: tv appearance Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 10:19:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c06c00$aeb57020$189763da@ben> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 (Highest) X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: High X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk X-Return-Path: ben.rolfe@vac.uk.com Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Hello BritDisc, Any players living in Brighton area: BBC Sport have expressed an interest in making a report on Ultimate. Date for filming looks like Sunday 7th January, now would be a good time to make yourself known to me. Mohawks; will any of you be around over Christmas/NY or have come back by then? Stroke (hope your knees recovering)? James? Madz? Kate? Natatlie "mangos"? Loopy Lewis and Little Rich - u in the area? Voodoo, hope yous on the mend - St. Andrews Boys School, Worthing want to take you on as a coach, you available for the 7th? Their PE teacher and core of their team will be there. Please get in touch asap. (ps Voodoo is injured and may not be at work - anyone got a number for him?). Sorry to hit everyone like this but the beeb sprung this on me yesterday and now I must sort out quick-smart - always a test for me! Cheers, (mental) ben (07771 883769 over holidays - please get in touch if you are available!) PS - I wrote the following (rant) a while ago but never sent it cos I didn't want a flare-up - just some thoughts on the non-student debate, no need for any response but may be something to think about... RULE-MAKERS (is that jus Tim?): please consider: 1) is the game about excluding the young (<17/18), the experienced and the tax-paying? I only do 1 day a week in college, but that's a 9-6 day with 10 hrs home study, by this very real definition of time spent in study, I'm more of a student now than I ever was in my 1st or 2nd year at uni. However I also work and would not have a problem paying a higher subscription or registration fee to the ultimate association (26GBP/year, even 52GBP/year!), the university, the team or whoever, as long as it meant more options to play ultimate! 2) is "student ultimate" about funding? that is a big issue - do teams still get funding if they field a (or multiple) part-timer from another college and they hold a valid NATIONAL UNION OF STUDENTS card? If only 1,2 or 3 part-timers/experienced students were allowed there could be a selection process. 3) Do we want to improve the standard of ultimate play in this country? In which case let's make it as easy as possible for as many people as possible to play as much as possible. Or, as devils advocate, is student ultimate about keeping the numbers and the standard as low as possible? 4) Finally for the rule-makers - do we want University Ultimate or Student Ultimate or both? CHAOS-MAKERS: 1) let the SOTG prevail, does anyone intentionally want to break the rules? If they do their karma not yours. SOTG would want this taken back to thrower, and played out between the contesting teams without the ineligible player, once the rule-makers have decided what ineligible is. That's the first issue, and all BD should be asking themselves - what's our motivation for division and how anal do we want to get over the dividing line? We can thank the 2 Tims and Raj for bringing this into BD-consciousness, conflict isn't always a bad thing - there is no progress without a struggle. 2) If in doubt the decision should rest with the TD - maybe some TD's want to get tough, may be some don't give a fk. If anyone has a suspicion that a player is not a student (his team members should know!) they owe it to all competitors to report this to the TD asap, then s/he can check it out but don't necessarily have to get nanoscopic on the definitions. This is tricky now for Tim B, cos he took responsibility for making an on the spot decision, as opposed to deferring the decision for consideration. 3) When I found I was going back to school I read somewhere that if your college doesn't have a team you can play for the nearest one to you. Now I can't remember where I read this but I did. Sorry for takin so long once Ali F had invited me to comment ;) - what can I say- bit busy what with work and college and ultimate and Christmas and stuff. Thanks also to everyone trying to push the association through - don't give up, British Ultimate needs you!