From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Dec 13 20:35:36 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id eBDKYMm17589 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:34:22 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBDKYK817576 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:34:21 GMT Received: from hotmail.com (f270.pav1.hotmail.com [64.4.30.145]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBDKYKN19261 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:34:20 GMT Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 12:34:09 -0800 Received: from 137.82.79.68 by pv1fd.pav1.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:34:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [137.82.79.68] From: "Aura Mackenzie" <aurasulti@hotmail.com> To: student-ultimate@egroups.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: Re: Midland's Student Qualifier: GBH Decision Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:34:09 -0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: <F2701KAzl46TdGB1Lxd0000f604@hotmail.com> X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Dec 2000 20:34:09.0889 (UTC) FILETIME=[0BF0DD10:01C06544] Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Interesting argument, but things go both ways. Last spring (not so long ago!) I was asked to play in some 'special' student regional outdoor tournament that was somehow short of a team (there were the 5 regional teams and the directors apparently wanted 6, so London was asked to throw together a student team at the last minute - minus all the London players who were already on the SE team). Well, we were a pretty straggly bunch - at least 5 nationalities, and part timers galore (including me, who was working full-time but for part-time credit at my uni back home). Definitely questionable under the rules mentioned in previous emails. However, I honestly thought that I was playing within the rules because I was a part-time student - no one mentioned the 'primary occupation' clause when I was asked to play. Probably everyone else on my team thought they were within the rules too, while now I wonder if even 50% of us were 'legal'. Of note, this wasn't a qualifying tournament. My point is, it would seem to me that A) the student directors are able to exercise some discretion in who they will allow to play at student tournaments, B) if there are rules somewhere governing Student Ultimate over there, I've seen them bent in a BIG way and C) if the rules aren't available, how are you supposed to know you are infringing on them? Take North America for instance (below) which make things exceptionally clear... For all those who expressed interest: To play in a student tournament in Canada or the States you must do a lot of crap. Tournament directors ask for records of uni registration stamped by the Registrar's Office (must be full-time in the States, 60% part-time for Canada) for every player in advance (also meaning traveling teams must be made up several weeks before the tournament) and all players must be able to produce uni photo ID on demand at any time during the tournament. Also, no player can play as a student if their first year of membership to any National ultimate organization (ie BUF) was more than five years ago (to limit experienced players). There are a lot of conflicts about these rules and how they inhibit rookie student teams. Anyway, that my two cents (I know, they're not worth as much). Happy Holidays! Aura Back in Vancouver, Canada _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com