From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Dec 12 21:40:25 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id eBCLc4I15604 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:38:04 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBCLc2815587 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:38:02 GMT Received: from eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (eagle [137.205.144.1]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBCLc2N22679 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:38:02 GMT Received: from pces624 (pces624 [137.205.146.112]) by eagle.eng.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29454; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:37:49 GMT From: "Andrew Tucker" <andrew.tucker@warwick.ac.uk> To: <student-ultimate@egroups.com>, <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 21:37:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Midland's Student Qualifier: GBH Decision Reply-to: Andrew.Tucker@warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <3A369AA7.12785.B9E0203@localhost> In-reply-to: <005d01c06471$1972a640$63e868d5@dadscomp> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I don't want to get involved in the particulars of this case, but I have been involved in student ultimate on and off for 8 years (gulp!), and I don't think that in any of those 8 years there hasn't been some sort of frantic debate involving student eligibility issues.To make matters worse this issue always seems to be raised just after a tournament as a result of some sort of controversial result, and so is never discussed outside the narrow boundaries of a certain team's viewpoint. But each year if it's not about part-time students, then it's post-graduates, or juniors, or students who go to a university without an ultimate team, or foreigners or whatever.... I could go on. For some time I have strongly advocated that student ultimate has grown to such an extent, that it should now become a strictly inter- university competition run along the lines adopted by BUSA. Obviously we all know that student ultimate for various reasons is not a BUSA sport, but it would be very easy for us to adopt their eligibility criteria, which both for individuals and institutions clear up very effectively all these difficult issues for us. These are readily available and would bring ultimate inline with every other university sport. Admittedly these rules are fairly strict, but I see that as part of their advantage. Unfortunately it seems eligibility is an issue that has repeatedly shown itself too difficult to rely on some vague interpretation of spirit. Luckily there are now enough non-student tournaments being run that those teams or individuals who might be made ineligible can still play plenty of great and competitive ultimate against a wide variety of student and non-student opposition. Otherwise I can inevitably see this debate annually re-occuring and more otherwise great student tournaments also becoming unfortunately soured in a similar way..... Andy Tucker (Norm)