From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Sun Dec 10 21:07:00 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id eBAL3vO27646 for britdisc-outgoing; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:03:57 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBAL3t827635 for <britdisc-real@pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:03:55 GMT Received: from bodum.sout.netline.net.uk (bodum.sout.netline.net.uk [213.40.2.23]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id eBAL3sY00116 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:03:54 GMT Received: from [213.40.9.115] (helo=desai) by bodum.sout.netline.net.uk with smtp (Exim 3.13 #2) id 145DdA-0000rj-00; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:03:36 +0000 Message-ID: <003501c06330$75e81d20$730928d5@desai> Reply-To: "rjdesai" <theraj@supaman.com> From: "rjdesai" <theraj@supaman.com> To: <student-ultimate@egroups.com>, <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Midland's Student Qualifier: GBH Decision Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 21:08:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C062ED.632F7680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C062ED.632F7680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All, As Captain of GBH - I'd like to get the first word in on the decision = not to allow GBH to qualify for nationals. The decision was made just prior to the final (GBH v. Ow! 1) due to one = (of nine) of my players being classified as not sufficiently 'full time' = a student to be elligible to take part thus disqualifying the entire = team from nationals. This we feel is a totally unfair decision for numerous reasons. Firstly, the player in question is a beginner of this academic term and = played (in our key games) a maximum of a couple of points . He therefore = made no difference what so ever to us qualifying. Secondly, this issue was raised only once we had displaced Bears 1 = (Sunday morning), thereby preventing them from qualifying, and beaten = Mwnci See 1, for a place in the final, if it had been raised earlier we = would of course have removed our "part time" student (which would have = made no difference to the result) immediately and we would have been = elligible to qualify. We felt the issue was raised not on grounds of = fairness, as any team playing us would have seen the player in question = was there more to watch then to play, but because we displaced a team = which was expected to win.=20 We attended the tournament with the best of intentions and I can testify = my players played with a lot of enthusiam and spirit. This decision goes = no way to reciprocating this. I understand the need to have a fixed rule but I can see no = justification, in a specific case as this, for a decision to go against = what is clearly the right and fair thing to do.=20 This is GBH s first and probably last year of student Ultimate. We = trained hard and that paid of in Loughborough but unreasonable decisions = such as this are what demoralise new teams and in no way help the = development of the sport.=20 I think further discussion of this issue is in order before a decision = is made.=20 Also, in future when new teams such as our own enter clarification = should be given on such points and should not have to be especially = sought since as shown here; how were we supposed to know a part time = student is not a student in the eyes of student ulitimate? - the onus = should be on those in the game to help new sides not for them to = disqualify them on an obscure technicality as here. I hope the decision will be reversed in light of this. Yours, Raj GBH / GB Junior ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C062ED.632F7680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" = http-equiv=3DContent-Type> <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=3DGENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Hi All,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">As Captain of GBH - I'd like to get = the first=20 word in on the decision not to allow GBH to qualify for=20 nationals.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">The decision was made just prior to = the final=20 (GBH v. Ow! 1) due to one (of nine) of my players being classified = as not=20 sufficiently 'full time' a student to be elligible to take part=20 thus disqualifying the entire team from nationals.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">This we feel is a totally unfair = decision for=20 numerous reasons.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Firstly, the player in question is a = beginner=20 of this academic term and played (in our key games) a maximum of a = couple=20 of points . He therefore made no difference what so ever to us=20 qualifying.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Secondly, this issue was = raised only=20 once we had displaced Bears 1 (Sunday morning), thereby preventing them = from=20 qualifying, and beaten Mwnci See 1, for a place in the final, if it had = been=20 raised earlier we would of course have removed our "part time" student = (which=20 would have made no difference to the result) immediately and = we would=20 have been elligible to qualify. We felt the issue was raised not on = grounds of=20 fairness, as any team playing us would have seen the player in = question was=20 there more to watch then to play, but because we displaced a team = which was=20 expected to win. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">We attended the tournament with the = best of=20 intentions and I can testify my players played with a lot of = enthusiam and=20 spirit. This decision goes no way to reciprocating this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I understand the need to have a = fixed=20 rule but I can see no justification, in a specific case as this, for a = decision=20 to go against what is clearly the right and fair thing to = do</FONT><FONT=20 face=3D"Times New Roman">. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">This is GBH s first and probably = last year of=20 student Ultimate. We trained hard and that paid of in=20 Loughborough but unreasonable decisions such as this are what = demoralise=20 new teams and in no way help the development of the = sport. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I think further discussion = of this=20 issue is in order before a decision is made. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Also, in future when new teams such = as our=20 own</FONT> <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">enter = clarification should be=20 given on such points and should not have to be especially = sought since=20 as shown here; how were we supposed to know a part time student is not a = student=20 in the eyes of student ulitimate? - the onus should be on those in the = game to=20 help new sides not for them to disqualify them on an obscure = technicality as=20 here.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">I hope the decision will be = reversed in=20 light of this.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Yours,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">Raj</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman">GBH / GB = Junior</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C062ED.632F7680--