From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Mon Jun 26 09:27:17 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) id e5Q8Pnj01699 for britdisc-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:25:49 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (root@daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e5Q8Plw01688 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:25:47 +0100 (BST) Received: from gatekeeper.astra.com (gatekeeper.astra.com [192.71.102.2]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.10.1/8.9.3) with SMTP id e5Q8PkR13082 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 09:25:46 +0100 (BST) Received: by gatekeeper.astra.com; (5.65v4.0/1.3/10May95) id AA24527; Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:25:40 +0200 Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Message-Id: <40BC86874C46D4118D7D0000F8023F0D57B568@GB-CHW-MAIL2> From: Suzanne.Penfold@astrazeneca.com To: tammo@freeuk.com, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Tour III - nanny state rule and its exploitation Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 10:25:32 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk In support of the BAF open team (and this is my own opinion and not because I am part of BAF mixed) I agree with their decision not to play unless a full opposing team was fielded. There is a big difference between playing against a team of 6 players if they only started out with 8 and have 2 injuries, and therefore being spirited, and playing against a team of 6 players because one of them didn't get up in time (or whatever - was there actually a more serious reason? If so then maybe this should have been mentioned). Its about time a team stood up and started taking the rules seriously (assuming that a team has the right to refuse to play unless a full opposition is fielded). Surely if you are in the top 12 teams of the tour then every game counts and this should be reflected by the teams showing full commitment to each and every one. Ultimate will never be taken seriously by outsiders if it is not taken seriously by the players. Imagine if a team in Euro 2000 wanted to start with 10 men because not enough people turned up on time? The whole thing would be a mockery. I think that is about all. Suze BAF mixed -----Original Message----- From: er2de2 [mailto:tammo@freeuk.com] Sent: 26 June 2000 00:10 To: BRITDISC Subject: Tour III - nanny state rule and its exploitation Because some Deep South Mentality players were late for their Sunday morning game, DSM could at first field only six players. Their opponents Blue Arse Flies refused to start the game, citing some obscure rule that allegedly applied to this tournament. This allowed BAF to take five points off DSM before play eventually started, DSM finally having a seventh player. Oh yes, BAF did proceed to win the game... Questions: Where is it written that thou shalt have your full contingent of seven players on the line at the start of a game? And more importantly, WHY is a rule required? Is it health reasons? For World Clubs there is a minimum squad size of 12, given the exceptional physical demands on the players during a six-day tournament. Over-regulation, if you ask me, but at least you can see the it's-for-your-own-good nanny state reason behind it. Southampton is a two-day tournament, however. DSM were going to be short of a player for what, 10 minutes? Half an hour? Even a full game? Shock, horror, call the ambulance! Also, following the logic of protecting players' health: Does this mean Iron Man tournaments are henceforth outlawed? And what happens if a squad of eight loses two players due to injury? Do they have to forfeit their remaining games? Is this rule required to run the tournament smoothly, to prevent late starts of games, penalise teams not showing up, etc. ? Not applicable here, after all DSM were ready to play, on time. It's their problem if they had to play 6 vs. 7. MOST IMPORTANTLY: What kind of mindset makes Blue Arse Flies refuse to play an opponent, knowing that this way they can get points for free? BAF players, I hope you'll be thinking about your decision, and I hope you'll feel sorry. This was lame and un-spirited, Chris Hughes, where were you in all this? Yes, maybe you would have won anyway- why didn't you >play< the game to find out? Comments welcome. Tammo Playing for Chevron Action Flash Speaking for myself P.S. Yes, I know the world doesn't end because of this episode.