From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Mar 30 18:12:29 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id SAA12167 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:11:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12162 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:11:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from mailhost ([195.226.55.115]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA23782 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:11:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from pc124.videosystem.co.uk (200.200.200.124) by mailhost with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.10.09 AS-0098310) for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:14:41 +0100 Received: by pc124.videosystem.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BF9A72.FD6EA7A0@pc124.videosystem.co.uk>; Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:08:45 +0100 Message-ID: <01BF9A72.FD6EA7A0@pc124.videosystem.co.uk> From: Kevin Lowe <Kev@videosystem.co.uk> To: "'Britdisc'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Nationals At Plymouth Last Weekend Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 18:08:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk id SAA12163 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Good comments by Simon, but I would like to add a further criticism (or two), again, not aimed at anyone, but just hoping that we can learn from less than ideal situations that arose. Having games played to 24 minutes with 1 minutes turn around meant that when the hooter went, the game was over (with the exception of catching the disc if it was in the air). I don't think this is satisfactory for our National Indoors. You can argue that it's only schmindoors, but it is still a good training ground for newer players, and we should have 'fair' competitions. You'd expect in the National Finals to have more than a fair share of close games. Ending games on the hooter increases the chances of games being won/lost on the flip of the disc. Allowing draws in the pool games is one thing, but not playing out the point when time runs out is crazy. A couple of games ended on discussions which could not be resolved once the clock had run out (and the next teams were queuing up to play). We ended a crucial game with an uncontested foul in the endzone (result, no score) and both teams went away feeling that the rules are wrong and the over-riding spirit of the game had failed. The impact of this result was that Bears went into 5/6 playoff rather than 9/10. Quite a difference when your goal is to get a 'true' result. Anyone that has run an indoor tournament knows about the problems of scheduling when you don't stop on the hooter, but it isn't difficult to cope with 22 minutes games, and playing the point out after the hooter. Few points go on for more than 3 minutes, and if a game does over-run, you should be back on schedule within a couple of games. Also (gripe number two), shouldn't we be playing be the same rules in the finals as the qualifiers since they are deemed to be the same tournament (and hence the rostering)? In the South West Qualifiers held in the same venue a few weeks earlier, the rules required a check on the disc and to play out the point once the hooter has gone. I realise that scheduling all the qualifiers would be a little more complex when you apply the same rules (since most schedules set game length based on number of pitches, number of pools, total number of games, swap over time, etc.) but it should be something we could aim at. In defence of the rather harsh schedule though, there are very few options for 16 team tournaments. Had Chris stuck to the original 4 pools of 4, then splitting into top and bottom 8, or even going into full knockout (1v16, 2v15, etc.) would have meant far less games. Two halls can accommodate 20 teams pretty well and lead to better formats. I'm still reminiscing about having 50 teams playing in Plymouth. Enough moaning. It's only indoors. Kevin. -- | Kev@cheerful.com Tel: 07974 417626 | Her husband was one of those blokes, the sort that only laughs at his own jokes. | The sort that war takes away. When there wasn't a war, he left anyway. |--- | If you have an Orange or One2One mobile phone and | never want to pay more than 5p per minute, or if you | are a BT customer and want 33%+ savings on all calls, | email me, and I'll tell you how.