From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 18:22:04 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id SAA20410 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:20:59 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20401 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:20:57 GMT Received: from relay3-gui.server.ntli.net (relay3-gui.server.ntli.net [194.168.4.200]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01186 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:20:57 GMT Received: from p149-harc1-kirklees1.tch.dtn.ntl.com ([194.168.244.149] helo=user) by relay3-gui.server.ntli.net with smtp (Exim 3.03 #2) id 12QDcv-0005El-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Wed, 01 Mar 2000 18:13:38 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01bf83aa$96ea9c20$a69cfea9@user> From: "Matthew Lowe" <matthew.lowe@dtn.ntl.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> References: <20000301111133.19732.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: The Tour Format Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 18:18:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk A student league is the best way to develop a league system. It could be sorted into regions. It would have a source of support (BUSA and unions). Fixtures and transport would be sorted out along with the current BUSA system. And it would probably result in a greater amount of students playing the game. It may also lead to a tiered system where each uni has 1st, 2nd and 3rd teams, so competitive games should happen every week no matter what level you play at. It would surely be a foundation for a national league. It could lead to the ultimate coach playing a more important role in UK ultimate. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: Gareth Goo <gareth_goo@hotmail.com> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 11:11 AM Subject: RE: The Tour Format > As a final year student I would agree with the message below. Provided the > top teams are getting the competitive games they need the Tour does give the > lower teams something to aim for. And teams do end up training just for > those games in which they play the higher up teams and get a chance to show > themselves. > > Also, even if the top 5 play a lower team surely the experience of playing > different styles, whether good or not, is something that all teams need > regardless of standard. > > Having a Nationwide league system would be outstanding. Currently "us" > students are trying to badger the BUSA system into accepting ultimate as a > standard sport and introducing a national Student league. Maybe this is the > way to start the ball rolling. If students can create a BUSA league of > ultimate with any luck a national league would be a natural follow-on. > > Just some thoughts from us non-tax-payers. > > Gareth > The Fish & TFC > > >From: "Oakley, Caedman" <caedman_oakley@nai.com> > >To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk '" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> > >Subject: RE: The Tour Format > >Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:35:39 -0800 > > > >To chime in even though we were there "to make up the numbers" 2 years ago > >- > >the development of fitness, ability and "game-face" on First Touch was HUGE > >playing in the Top 8 - sure, we went down to UTI and Catch (though I > >remember a couple of really good games against Catch) - but the Red, First > >Touch, Headrush 3 at the bottom of the 8 really were massively competitive, > >and that competition gave good training grounds - maybe we weren't the > >best, > >but the training was awesome, it gave us real games, and I know that > >happens > >further down the order too. > > > >It may be that you are playing the same teams again, but the few times that > >you get to play teams 2 or 3 above you are very valuable - and you find > >yourself training for those games. > > > >*plink plink* *fizz* > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Wayne Retter > >To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > >Sent: 2/29/00 1:31 PM > >Subject: Re: The Tour Format > > > >The Tour IS elitest. > > > >It IS designed to be that way - to develop and enhance the fitness, > >skills and teamwork of the top FEW (say 5) teams in the country. > > > >[and, assuming that those 5 teams provide the GB Open squad, improve > >their performances at EU/WUGC, too, getting us more spaces at EU/WUCC]* > > > >Yes, the other 3 in the "top 8" are there "to make up the numbers"! > > > > > >So, what's really happening here? > > > >A "Tour Event" is actually a whole load of small leagues, at one venue, > >in one weekend, with promotion/relegation between each one... > > > >Well, it would be, if there weren't so many team fluctuations! > > > >Hence Tour 1 is more a "Traditional/Open" tournament - everybody has a > >shot at the title if they win all their games, and then over the rest of > >the Tour we try to work into the "Peer Pool" structure gradually - kind > >of difficult in only 4 (or even 5) events! > > > >Especially difficult when finding a decent venue for more than 20 teams > >is rare, and every team below say, 12th is effectively "new" and "of > >unknown strength" each year as players move around. > > > >So, either we abandon the Tour format, or we revise it. > > > >Everybody seems to think that the Tour is a good thing, just not quite > >functioning properly, so abandoning it seems bad. > > > >The arguments about how to revise the Tour all involve some kind of > >split - students/non-students, topX/bottomY, etc. and all fall apart > >when we try not to be too focussed on one particular group... > > > >In theory, the tour should get so big that it's actually a full-blown > >league / regional / national system and there's Ultimate happening > >somewhere every day... > > > >How that development occurs though - is still open to debate! > > > >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small > >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on > >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the > >results may be predictable, but...) > > > >Wayne Retter > > > > > >*My apologies for not including Women, Mixed, Masters or Juniors here, > >but until there's enough regular club teams in any of these divisions to > >hold frequent tournaments/leagues, there's no focus on their > >development. > > > >---------------------------------------------------------------- > >Wayne Retter > >at home: 01737-242109 wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk > > mobile: 07970-903420 w.retter@england.com > >at work: 01737-273611 > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >