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From: "Flores, Aram" <aflores@lehman.com>
To: "'David Trovell'" <david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk>,
"'Roger Thomson'"
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Subject: RE: London League 2000
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:57:11 -0000
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We'll see on Sunday..............and I'll give you 5 to 1 odds on that
scoreline!
.................but I suppose its just talk???
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Trovell [SMTP:david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk]
> Sent: 01 March 2000 17:45
> To: 'Roger Thomson'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> Cc: londonleague@onelist.com
> Subject: RE: London League 2000
>
> UTI perspective:
> We'd beat you 15-1 too!!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk]
> > Sent: 01 March 2000 13:34
> > To: 'Ziants, Wayne'; 'Wayne Retter'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk
> > Cc: londonleague@onelist.com
> > Subject: RE: London League 2000
> >
> > Wayne Retter wrote:
> > >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a
> small
> > >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on
> > >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of
> the
> > >results may be predictable, but...)
> >
> > I think that's changing as the top teams recognise the value of playing
> > against teams of a similar ability in a competitive setting. This very
> > weekend Dough, UTI and maybe London Catch players are playing each other
> > in
> > a pre-season warm-up.
> >
> > Wayne Ziants wrote:
> > >Let us hope then that all those Ultimate clubs in London - whether Top
> 8,
> > >Womens or Students - are prepared to participate in this year's London
> > >League. The presently vague plan is to start as soon as (non-floodlit)
> > >evening games become practical, on one or two evenings a week through
> the
> > >summer. One popular idea is to make it a Co-ed competition, but
> nothing
> > has
> > >been settled on yet.
> > >Top organising bloke Paul Hurt will surely have more to add....
> > >If Montreal can have 40 teams in a league, surely London's 8 million
> can
> > >raise 8 teams :-)
> >
> > One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and
> > time. The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means
> > alot
> > of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the
> stronger
> > and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players. The
> > summer
> > leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a
> > large
> > proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be
> better
> > matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally
> > that is more likely in a larger pool of teams.
> >
> > Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because
> > playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams
> get
> > a
> > good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social
> > gathering.
> >
> >
> > I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but
> can't
> > necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures
> > and
> > travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if
> > the
> > format were different and offered more competitive games through peer
> > pools
> > and promotion and demotion. A UTI player's perspective would be
> > interesting
> > at this point....
> >
> > Cheers ears,
> >
> > PieBoy.