From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 17:51:49 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA10246 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:50:44 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA10212 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:50:40 GMT Received: from doorman.bmpddb.com (mailhost.bmpddb.com [193.130.32.70]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA27667 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:50:39 GMT Received: from polaris.bmpddb.com (unverified) by doorman.bmpddb.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id <B0a0a0a0b4ab0094a9d@doorman.bmpddb.com>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:49:38 +0000 Received: by POLARIS with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <F536FJZ8>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:45:07 -0000 Message-ID: <C99A86B5A019D2118F8400805F957BF102B1F4EA@POLARIS> From: David Trovell <david.trovell@bmpomd.co.uk> To: "'Roger Thomson'" <roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: londonleague@onelist.com Subject: RE: London League 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:44:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk UTI perspective: We'd beat you 15-1 too!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Roger Thomson [SMTP:roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk] > Sent: 01 March 2000 13:34 > To: 'Ziants, Wayne'; 'Wayne Retter'; britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Cc: londonleague@onelist.com > Subject: RE: London League 2000 > > Wayne Retter wrote: > >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small > >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on > >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the > >results may be predictable, but...) > > I think that's changing as the top teams recognise the value of playing > against teams of a similar ability in a competitive setting. This very > weekend Dough, UTI and maybe London Catch players are playing each other > in > a pre-season warm-up. > > Wayne Ziants wrote: > >Let us hope then that all those Ultimate clubs in London - whether Top 8, > >Womens or Students - are prepared to participate in this year's London > >League. The presently vague plan is to start as soon as (non-floodlit) > >evening games become practical, on one or two evenings a week through the > >summer. One popular idea is to make it a Co-ed competition, but nothing > has > >been settled on yet. > >Top organising bloke Paul Hurt will surely have more to add.... > >If Montreal can have 40 teams in a league, surely London's 8 million can > >raise 8 teams :-) > > One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and > time. The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means > alot > of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the stronger > and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players. The > summer > leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a > large > proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be better > matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally > that is more likely in a larger pool of teams. > > Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because > playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams get > a > good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social > gathering. > > > I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but can't > necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures > and > travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if > the > format were different and offered more competitive games through peer > pools > and promotion and demotion. A UTI player's perspective would be > interesting > at this point.... > > Cheers ears, > > PieBoy.