From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 1 17:17:26 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA25153 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 17:16:33 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA19430 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 16:04:10 GMT Received: from baby.kbw.co.uk (baby.kbw.co.uk [193.133.242.75]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA29556 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 15:27:31 GMT Received: by baby.kbw.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1DK1CZHA>; Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:34:26 -0000 Message-ID: <1DBF2E3701DFD211A65300902728A91B0104AA2E@baby.kbw.co.uk> From: Roger Thomson <roger.thomson@oyster.co.uk> To: "'Ziants, Wayne'" <WZiants@spencerstuart.com>, "'Wayne Retter'" <wayne@phidelta.demon.co.uk>, britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Cc: londonleague@onelist.com Subject: RE: London League 2000 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2000 13:34:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wayne Retter wrote: >At the moment, there are enough ultimate clubs in London to hold a small >tournament - but it's rare that any of them ever manage to meet up on >the odd "free" weekend for a planned competitive scrimmage! (Some of the >results may be predictable, but...) I think that's changing as the top teams recognise the value of playing against teams of a similar ability in a competitive setting. This very weekend Dough, UTI and maybe London Catch players are playing each other in a pre-season warm-up. Wayne Ziants wrote: >Let us hope then that all those Ultimate clubs in London - whether Top 8, >Womens or Students - are prepared to participate in this year's London >League. The presently vague plan is to start as soon as (non-floodlit) >evening games become practical, on one or two evenings a week through the >summer. One popular idea is to make it a Co-ed competition, but nothing has >been settled on yet. >Top organising bloke Paul Hurt will surely have more to add.... >If Montreal can have 40 teams in a league, surely London's 8 million can >raise 8 teams :-) One of the problems is that a regular league involves alot of travel and time. The teams in London are of wildly varying ability and this means alot of the league games would involve a mis-match - and for both the stronger and weaker teams are perceived as a waste by many of the players. The summer leagues in Canada and the US are an entirely different proposition - a large proportion of them are hat teams, and those that aren't tend to be better matchups because of the kind of team that enters or because structurally that is more likely in a larger pool of teams. Events like the Regent's Park one-day tournies appeal far more because playing one or two weaker teams is part of the whole day and all teams get a good workout, some close and some not-so-close games and a social gathering. I can see Doughboy, for example, playing in that kind of event, but can't necessarily see us committing to play in a League with regular fixtures and travel if 75% of the games we would win 15-1. That might be different if the format were different and offered more competitive games through peer pools and promotion and demotion. A UTI player's perspective would be interesting at this point.... Cheers ears, PieBoy.