From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Feb 29 15:09:06 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id OAA24626 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:59:21 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24460 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:58:58 GMT Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk (haymarket.ed.ac.uk [129.215.128.53]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA17758 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:58:56 GMT Received: from srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk (SRV1.mech.ed.ac.uk [129.215.113.68]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA09234 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:58:55 GMT Message-Id: <200002291458.OAA09234@haymarket.ed.ac.uk> Received: from MECH-SRV1/SpoolDir by srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 29 Feb 00 14:58:54 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MECH-SRV1 (Mercury 1.44); 29 Feb 00 14:58:40 +0000 From: "Timothy Rogers" <trogers@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Mechanical Engineering To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:58:32 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: The Tour Format X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think much of the Tours problems revolve about the current seeding structure. 1) At the moment, if you miss a tour, particularly the first then your scuppered if you want to have a crack at the top teams. I know its supposed to be 'a tour', but there are loads of players (including most students) who cannot afford to go to all tours. 2) To compensate for the fact that many players can't go to all tours, we need huge teams of 20+ players. Why do we do this? The next world clubs is 2 years away. Is it not better to spread the talent amonst more competitive teams, and increase the amount of pitch time, fitness and skill of British ultimate players? Surely it doesn't take more than a season to prepare to play 20 a side. Needing so many players encourages super teams, discouraging the building of geo and student teams. 3) Competitive summer tournaments serve as an important bridging gap for players who have the basic skills. Where does a student team go if they win or do well in student nationals, if they can't compete in the Tour and see how far they can go. An alternative seeding structure might be to have a Swiss tournament structure (play teams who have won as many games as you) to find the top 8 on Saturday, or maybe have a few shorter games Saturday morning. Both would flatten the seeding structure and avoid too much time being spent on the stronger teams gubbing the weaker teams. Tim Ro-Sham-Bo