From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Fri Feb 28 14:07:16 1997 Received: from thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id OAA15088; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:07:11 GMT Received: by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk id NAA06989; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:59:18 GMT Received: from pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk by thistle.csv.warwick.ac.uk with ESMTP id NAA06984; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:59:06 GMT Received: from dub-img-7.compuserve.com by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk with SMTP id NAA13734; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:58:42 GMT Received: by dub-img-7.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id IAA13291; Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:58:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:57:53 -0500 From: Ian Peter Stebbing <106040.3441@compuserve.com> Subject: Indoor Ultimate Good or Bad? To: Britdisc <BRITDISC@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Message-ID: <199702280858_MC2-11D9-89B6@compuserve.com> Sender: owner-britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I'm sorry but I just can't agree with all the indoor bashing going on here. Indoors is very different to outdoors and both have their place, and it certainly isn't a beginners vs experienced split. Injuries is often quoted as the main reason for not playing indoors. Crap. Only speaking from what has happened to me or that I have witnessed suggests that this really is irrelevant. There are just as many injuries incurred outdoors as in, they just seem to be of a different type. Broken bones (many arms and legs) seem to occur more indoors while fingers and ankles seem to be outdoors. But dislocations, sprained joints and ligament damage seem to be almost entirely outdoors. The worst injuries I've seen are a break of both the upper leg bones (James ex-Warwick) from which he seems to have made a complete recovery and was back playing relatively quickly, a similar dual break but this time lower arm by one of the Hurricane players at Hitchen last November. He is already back playing and while showing some reticence to layout is once again proving to be a top class junior player. Both these occurred indoors. The first game I ever played in (a league match November 1986) a Lurker twisted his knee because of a divot or hole in the pitch, to the best of my knowledge he has never fully recovered. Last year in Waggeningen Adam Batchelor injured his knee ligaments and has still not fully recovered after having physiotherapy and a minor operation. Both of these occurred outdoors. There are many other examples that I'm sure we could all dig up and quote at each other for ever. I would agree that playing indoors with an injury is stupid because of the extra impact sustained on hard floors and its also true that certain weaknesses picked up over time make indoors undesirable. My main argument would be that they are different games and you should play them slightly differently. If you know that you are in a brick box, throwing your body around all the time is asking for trouble. Layouts and dives are not usually done flat out indoors because they are more often reaction moves, you can't often chase a disc down indoors, and if you do the wall is usually a large object that fills your vision from quite an early stage of the operation, not seeing it is really not an option! It always struck me as odd that most of the Shotgun players seemed to stop playing indoors at about the time they stopped winning all the tournaments they played in. That's completely unfair to some of them but not all! Ian Stebbing Druids