From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jan 13 17:32:18 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id RAA22809 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:31:26 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA22768 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:31:21 GMT Received: from pp.dundee.ac.uk (pp.dundee.ac.uk [134.36.2.60]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA08570 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:31:20 GMT Received: from dundee-as.dundee.ac.uk ([134.36.7.200]) by pp.dundee.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.02 #2) id 128o5f-0006RF-01 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:31:19 +0000 Received: from DUNDEE-AS/SpoolDir by dundee-as.dundee.ac.uk (Mercury 1.44); 13 Jan 100 17:31:19 +0 Received: from SpoolDir by DUNDEE-AS (Mercury 1.44); 13 Jan 100 17:31:10 +0 From: "Steve Morrish" <s.m.morrish@dundee.ac.uk> Organization: Dundee University To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 17:31:01 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Officiating X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12a) Message-Id: <E128o5f-0006RF-01@pp.dundee.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just thought I'd get in my twopenny worth while the debate still rages on. Surely the whole edict of Ultimate is to do with the 'Spirit' of the game. This whole debate stinks of hankerings towards professionalism. If we get referees in, do we then professionalise the sport, meaning that there will be little if any chance of Joe Schmo competing with the very best in the world. Does Worlds then have two seperate categories, pros and amateurs, and will there then have to be pro-am tournies, where a pro team plays an amateur team. I don't know how many of you are familiar with the professionalisation of rugby, but that was totally pants, and has ruined club rugby at grass roots level. Look at the nonsense encountered on a day-to-day basis in football, where certain players seem able to influence referees decisions, and there is little if any fun to be seen. Is that the way that Ultimate wants to go? I kow that I took it up because of the fun, but also because it was refreshing to be able to play in a totally self- governing sport. If we take that away, we take the essence of the sport away. No longer will a sense of spirit be instilled in all the players. At the moment, the really big games, those played at Worlds and the like, do not suffer from a lack of referee, but instead are enhanced by it. I think I should shut up now, before I make any bigger a fool of myself. Please note that these thoughts are my own personal thoughts and feelings, and do not in any way reflect the thoughts or feelings in Shooting Stars (Dundee Uni Ultimate) or that of Scottish Ultimate as a whole. Steve Captain, Shooting Stars