From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Jan 12 14:11:20 2000 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) id OAA11387 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:08:15 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA11366 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:08:11 GMT Received: from dire.bris.ac.uk (dire.bris.ac.uk [137.222.10.60]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06094 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:08:11 GMT Received: from eis.bris.ac.uk by dire.bris.ac.uk with SMTP-PRIV with ESMTP; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:07:57 +0000 Received: from lang-ah38.lang.bris.ac.uk (lang-ah38.lang.bris.ac.uk [137.222.156.167]) by eis.bris.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA29709; Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:07:40 GMT From: rafael freire <raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk> Reply-To: raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk To: jbc102 <jbc102@york.ac.uk> Cc: BritDisc <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Goaltimate In-Reply-To: <387C766E.57D5C728@york.ac.uk> Message-ID: <SIMEON.10001121443.E@lang-ah38.lang.bris.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2000 14:08:43 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) Delivery-Receipt-To: rafael freire <raf.freire@bristol.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Simeon for Win32 Version 4.1.5 Build (43) X-Authentication: IMSP MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Jaime, I took your point this morning that ultimate may well need officiating if it is to attract tv coverage, but you seemed to have misinterpreted my reply. At the end of my e-mail I agreed with you, in that indeed only officiated sports (yes, I've heard of football) are currently broadcast on tv. My point was that refereeing is not a passive element of sport necessary for correcting accidental shifts in advantage, but instead takes an active role in establishing fairness. Responsibility for fair play therefore moves from the players to the referee. This opens up a huge can of worms- such as the referee (who is not error proof) now has a strong influence on the outcome of the game or players may influence the referee directly to obtain a favourable outcome. Since I've now been drawn (reluctantly) into this debate, I don't think officiation of ultimate is the only way it can get TV coverage. I agree the lack of officiation is a drawback- most ultimate naive people think it means the game is uncompetitive. Infact, what I consider is absent in ultimate is not the competitive side, but rather the need of players to influence the referee's opinion. I don't think this is a weakness in our quest for tv coverage (the reverse in fact), but rather a challenge for the marketing of the sport. Raf On Wed, 12 Jan 2000 12:41:18 +0000 jbc102 <jbc102@york.ac.uk> wrote: > I'm assuming that Raf is talking about football here, if so is he the > only person in the world who doesn't realise that football is THE > biggest sport in the world and doesn't have any trouble attracting > sponsors. > > Jaimie Cross > Yorkie Bar Kids > > rafael freire wrote: > > > > > > > > What, so that TV viewers can analyse the super slow-mo > > and realise how crap the officials are and how they make > > the outcome of the game a complete lottery ? It wouldn't > > be very original, but I agree there is an apparently > > big market for this sort of thing. > > > > Raf