From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Dec 2 21:05:54 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17752 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:04:36 GMT Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA17736 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:04:33 GMT Received: from haymarket.ed.ac.uk (haymarket.ed.ac.uk [129.215.128.53]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA03570 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:04:33 GMT Received: from srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk (SRV1.mech.ed.ac.uk [129.215.113.68]) by haymarket.ed.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11465 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:04:32 GMT Message-Id: <199912022104.VAA11465@haymarket.ed.ac.uk> Received: from MECH-SRV1/SpoolDir by srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk (Mercury 1.31); 2 Dec 99 21:04:32 +0000 Received: from SpoolDir by MECH-SRV1 (Mercury 1.31); 2 Dec 99 21:04:04 +0000 From: "Timothy Rogers" <trogers@srv1.mech.ed.ac.uk> Organization: Mechanical Engineering To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 21:03:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Objectives of Census X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Andy, > what do you actually want to find out? At the very least: 1) How many people play ultimate. 2) Where people live. 3) What team they play for. Can add to this to find stuff like age, how many tournys go to etc. Whether they are prepared to subscribe to the BUA. >how do you intend distributing it? The BUF can store the data, peoples addresses etc. Any statistical results from the census can be put on the BUF home page. >It might give you a very specific >picture of the state of Ultimate at the moment, but won't tell you >anything about why people leave the sport. I don't agree. By looking at data over successive years, one can determine which groups of people are leaving the sport. Stuff like: age, just left university, if people have moved to areas where there is no ultimate, break up and reforming of teams etc. >- what do you intend doing with it? At the moment, many people who leave university or move to a new area end up without a team. Through the BUF they can find out who plays in their local area, or anywhere else for that matter. The main task is to make sure everyone who wants to continue playing ultimate can play ultimate. Monitor the growth of ultimate. As I said in my previous emails the growth at the moment is larger than ever. If we don't reorganise then British ultimate as it is currently structured (I mean implicit as well as explicit structure) will not be able to cope. The net result will probably just be that the sport will not grow. >are any of the clubs or BUF in a position to change the >organisation,motivation, recruitment, etc? I don't see why clubs and the BUF are not in a position to change the organisation. As for motivation, I can only say that if you want to go to party you have to have a party! There are some who won't bother, but there are plenty of people more motivated. Finally, I think we have to careful not to make a 'mountain out of a molehill'. Its not something that needs to be done professionally to target a particular market. However, there is a cost incurred in the data entry, as we cannot expect members of the BUF to sit up in the small hours and type in details of 2000 odd ultimate players. Tim RSB Soup Tim Rogers PhD Student Manufacturing Planning Group School of Mechanical Engineering University of Edinburgh email: trogers@srv1.mech.ac.uk