From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Sep 28 15:01:20 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA23319 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:00:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA23308 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:00:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from curlew.cs.man.ac.uk (curlew.cs.man.ac.uk [130.88.13.7]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12916 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:00:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from ccg.acu.man.ac.uk ([130.88.17.200]) by curlew.cs.man.ac.uk with smtp (Exim 1.92 #3) for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk id 11Vxni-0005XJ-00; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:00:14 +0100 Received: from ccMail by ccg.acu.man.ac.uk (ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25) id AA938527221; Tue, 28 Sep 1999 15:00:23 GMT Message-Id: <9909289385.AA938527221@ccg.acu.man.ac.uk> X-Mailer: ccMail Link to SMTP R8.20.00.25 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 1999 14:59:27 GMT From: "Rob Mitchell"<Rob.Mitchell@man.ac.uk> To: <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: RE: Nationals - another similar observation MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: "cc:Mail Note Part" Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk > >Next year, at least for Nationals, let's make it a > requirement that the > >successful Tournament Bid includes provision for > Score/Timekeepers. Even > if all > >they do is warn the teams to start on time and then start > taking points it > would > >be an improvement. > > > > You offering to be one? Or find/organise/make sure they are > there on time/ > know what they are doing/make sure they are not abused too > much and all the > extra work that this means? > > Barry - team formerly known as... Every time someone suggests an improvement to the way Ultimate tournaments are run, we get this moan. We've had the 'well you try it then' debate a hundred tedious times and I don't intend to open it again. However, just because it's hard to run a tournament doesn't preclude us from suggesting improvements, which is what I'm doing. In this case, I'll be honest and tell you I don't think it would be a massive extra burden for Nationals to have time/scorekeepers. 10 people would have been more than enough for last weekend, and if an offer for next year is received from Bristol or Leicester or London or, god forbid, Manchester I can't see any reason why those places couldn't scrape 10 uninvolved players together to score the games. You've never been in a game with a dispute over the number of time-outs? You've never stood on the line trying to work out which end you started the game at so you can then figure out whether the score is correct? Never had a dispute over the timing of a game? This year I went to Nationals and did all those things in the same weekend. I'm not criticising the TDs, as such mix-ups are standard operating procedure for Ultimate tournaments in this country, but I am saying that situations like these are unacceptable at Nationals. Tell me you think it's acceptable for the two teams involved in the final to have to stop for three or four minutes to debate how much time they have left to play and I'll call you a fibber. Rob Chevron