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From: "Bowles, Guy" <Guy.Bowles@guinness.com>
To: "'HUGHES, Chris'" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk>,
"'Leicester Ultimate Club'"
<red@ultimateweb.co.uk>,
"'Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]'"
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Subject: RE: [undertheinfluence] Re: Nationals - Top 16 Teams
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 13:24:18 +0100
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Chris,
Thank you for a comprehensive, if not pithy, explanation.
We look forward to a fantastically run tournament, & though not an offer to
pay more, I'm sure I speak for all of UTI (including Colin) when I say that
£7 per player is well worth paying for the opportunity to add the National
title to that of Tour Champions.
See y'all at Eastbourne.
Guy.
UTI.
-----Original Message-----
From: HUGHES, Chris [SMTP:CHughes@chelt.ac.uk]
Sent: 07 September 1999 11:39
To: 'Leicester Ultimate Club'; 'Wagstaff, Colin [euler:eti-lon]'
Cc: 'Britdisc'; 'UTI'
Subject: [undertheinfluence] Re: Nationals - Top 16 Teams
Why are the top 16 teams asked to pay more; are they subsidising the
other
teams?
No - they are subsidising you
Nationals is designed as a 16 team event - you can guarantee 16
teams there.
Everything in the tournament is organised around these 16 teams. Ben
has a
guaranteed 10 pitches - 8 of which are being used by Div 1 & 2 teams
leaving
the rest to use two pitches, and any spaces when the other pitches
are not
in use. They will get less pitch time, they will be placed on the
sloped
lumpy pitches - so that the 16 teams are placed on flat, nice
pitches. Then
you pay for the party, the massage, all the other costs.
But if we can get another 8 teams along for the ride - Div C, who
will get a
fun tournament, and a party, then they can contribute as well (that
8 x
50gbp = 400gbp) thats 400gbp that you don't have to pay, an extra
25gbp per
team. So why still so expensive. Well you can only guarantee 16
teams coming
so you still have to cover that expense, and budget for it - as a TD
yourself you'll know about this Col. What you may find if the Div C
event
fills up and lots of teams come along, you might get a partial
refund
because Ben realises that all of a sudden he is making an
unreasonable
amount of profit - and will give some back (there's your incentive
to put in
a good bid to run a Nationals, qualifying, or tour event).
Finally - how many players are UTI taking to Nationals 15? 7gbp per
player.
If a small team scrapes together and decided to enter the Div C
event with 8
players it will cost them 6.25gbp each. Seems fair - I think so.
Chris Hughes
DoC
> ----------
> From: Wagstaff, Colin
> [euler:eti-lon][SMTP:Colin.Wagstaff@eulergroup.com]
> Sent: 07 September 1999 09:33
> To: 'Leicester Ultimate Club'
> Cc: 'Britdisc'; 'UTI'
> Subject: RE: Nationals - Top 16 Teams
>
> Ben,
>
> Why are teams playing at the UK's premier tournament, the National
> Championships being asked to pay a higher entry fee than those in
the 'not
> the nationals tournament'? Especially when it appears they will
be
> offered
> the same facilities as those partaking in main tournament?
>
> * Division C Tournament finishing in time for the 2pm Sunday
final.
> * Full size pitches + cones + water + scoreboards + marquee.
> * Physios from the Academy of Sports Therapy
> * Party at Leicester's 'The Shed' nightclub - free entry
before 10pm.
> Live music from The Aynsley Lister Band (blues/rock) plus support
from
> Vigorous (rock covers) plus sixties disco.
>
> OK so they finish by 2pm on Sunday, does this qualify for 50%
discount?
>
> It appears that the top 16 teams are being asked to subsidise the
other
> tournament. Surely the point of Nationals is to make it a show
event of
> the
> top teams? You may well argue that the 'not the nationals' will
provide a
> larger crowd for the final etc and I would support that, but
please not at
> a
> greater expense to those teams qualifying for nationals.
>
> Or perhaps the extra you earn will be profit for Red???? Surely
something
> you would condone given your well publicised view of Druids policy
over
> the
> previous years with the tournaments they've organised!
>
>
> Colin.
> UTI.
>
> P.S. Should you care to make a charitable donation to UTI due to
lost
> funds
> over Red's non appearance at the 'World's warm up tournament'
please let
> me
> know and I'll offset any such amount against our entry for
Nationals.
>
>
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