From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Sep 2 04:19:00 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA24795 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:17:40 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA24788 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:17:38 +0100 (BST) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f105.hotmail.com [209.185.131.168]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA09289 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 2 Sep 1999 04:17:37 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 78166 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 1999 03:17:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990902031705.78165.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.228.242.97 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:17:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.228.242.97] From: "Angels Ultimate" <angelsultimate@hotmail.com> To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Indoor Rule Clarification Date: Wed, 01 Sep 1999 20:17:03 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk When the walls are the lines or the lines are very close to the walls then I've no idea what the rules say or whether there are any rules. But the common practice in my experience is that the team that has gained possession as a result of the disc hitting the wall does not take the disc back to the point where the disc hit the wall. Instead the disc is simply picked up and put into play from whatever part of the court it has ended up in just the same as if it had been an incomplete pass. Since most discs that hit a wall bounce away from it the problem of having a pivot foot jammed up against the wall simply never occurs. If a disc does strike a wall and come to rest right next to it then, following the customary practice above, the player picking it up is entitled to put her feet wherever she wants as she picks it up. In other words most players will plant their pivot foot away as far away from the wall as possible, stretch to pick up the disc, and put it into play with a full pivot available. The only time (I can think of) when you can get stuck is when the disc is turned over in your own endzone and it comes to rest next to the wall. Then you are obliged, as usual, to place one foot at a point on the goal line that is perpendicular to where the disc was in the endzone, i.e. a foot has to go against the wall. The thing to do in this situation is to make sure it is your non-pivot foot that is against the wall. Then you can put your pivot foot as far away from the wall as you can and pivot away. If you are a right-handed player in this situation on the left side of your endzone then it means you start with your back to the marker and pivot away from the wall to face the field. No big deal. In my experience this is the usual practice and for what its worth I think it is the best approach. I have heard the occasional argument about bringing the disc back to the point where it hit the wall but I can't think of any point in playing this way. - It does not add to the flow or playability of the game but rather it detracts from both. - Given that you can't attempt to curl the disc out and back in again it makes more sense to treat it as an incomplete pass, because essentially that's what it is. - Given the shorter distances involved indoors loss of possession is a sufficient penalty for any botched throw. Loss of yardage is unecessarily harsh and does not deter anything that is not already deterred by loss of possession. Barring the production of some obscure Scandiwegian rulebook I guess the final say in any given match is presently with the tournament director. Si Barry Angels H 0171 733 8155 M 07771 715 068 E sibarry@hotmail.com PS Angels are a co-ed team based in Brixton who play indoors all year round. Any London player starting to feel the call of the hard floor landing is welcome to come and play. >From: "Travers, Neil" <ntravers@hq.interleaf.com> >To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk >Subject: RE: Indoor Rule Clarification >Date: Wed, 1 Sep 1999 15:44:04 +0100 > >If there are lines before reaching the walls then it should be no different >from outdoors. The disc goes to where it went out. > >If the walls are the lines the rules do appear to be different, but I'm not >sure if that's official (the indoor rules are difficult, if not impossible, >to find written down). > >BUT, forcing people to take it from the line when that is either the wall >or >right next to the wall would seem (to me) to be unfair. You should still, >at least, be able to pivot without hitting the wall. Ideally this should >be >because there is space outside the pitch before reaching the wall. I think >that is where the strange indoor rules come from. > > >-- >Neil Travers work: <ntravers@interleaf.com> >Fluid Druids home: <neil@dreamer.demon.co.uk> ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com