From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Jun 29 16:25:03 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA18268 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:24:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18258 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:23:59 +0100 (BST) Received: from portalcp1.chevron.com (firewall-user@portalcp1.chevron.com [208.33.240.2]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA08886 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 16:23:55 +0100 (BST) Received: from chvpk-msxb1.sr.chevron.com (chvpk-msxb1.sr.chevron.com [146.27.94.102]) by portalcp1.chevron.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA14720 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:23:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by chvpk-msxb1.backup.chevron.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <NFYCGHCB>; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:23:44 -0700 Message-ID: <19F52E0DF38ED211865600805F31B8F9A31EC7@cal-msx2.calgary.chevron.com> From: "Batty, Ian (IBAT)" <IBAT@chevron.com> To: "'britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk'" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Pivot foot Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 08:23:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk I think that the rule question seems to be getting hung up on whether or not the player has established a pivot foot. I don't see this as being necessary for a player to be judged as having completed the catch. An example: I lay out (yeah I know, this is fictional), catch the disc in the end zone and then slide out of the zone. My first point of contact with the ground was in the field of play, I retained control of the disc at all times but I never establised a pivot foot. Does this mean that the point does not count? Surely, the end of the catch is when the player with the disc has control of the disc AND control of themselves i.e. they have stopped sliding, running or whatever. Establishing a pivot foot is not necessary to obtain possession, it is necessary to be able to throw. So, the way I read it (sorry Christian): If you PLACED the disc, this implies you had control and means turnover. If you let go whilst skidding you could say that a blade of grass/ mud up your nose/ whatever knocked the disc out of your hand Just my thoughts Batty ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Ian Batty Oilfield Systems Limited ibat@chevron.com 953, 500-5th Avenue SW work: +1 403 234 5219 Calgary AB T2P 0N5 fax: +1 403 234 5616 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --