From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu Jun 10 12:43:59 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24052 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:42:37 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24043 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:42:35 +0100 (BST) Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28511 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:42:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from modem-181.name45.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.182.181] helo=roger) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 10s3De-000657-00; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:42:02 +0100 Message-ID: <001001beb336$2afde200$02010180@roger.kbw.co.uk> Reply-To: "Pete Harvey" <harvey@as-if.com> From: "Pete Harvey" <harvey@as-if.com> To: <christian.nistri@btm.bt.co.uk>, "BRITDISC" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Ultimate Growth Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:40:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Wigs, reduction of treeware is the only issue here. If I can get a pdf, I don't need the buf to pay for a large print run, somone to pack 'em and then pay the post office... how can you fail to see the savings? there is nothing to stop me from doing the legwork, and printing copies for my teammates/newbies/mother-in-law, but I would see that as 'Doing My Bit' to spread the word, rather than ripping off the BUF by paying slightly less for the privelige. Differential membership is fair to all parties, whether this is 'discrimination' for the un-webbed or un-waged is a matter of opinion. Harv -----Original Message----- From: Christian Nistri <wigsy22@yahoo.com> To: BRITDISC <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: 10 June 1999 12:03 Subject: Ultimate Growth why on earth should people who have the benefit of computers at work be favoured by paying less than those who haven't access to the internet? You might argue that, some one who has access can print off copies for the team members who don't? O.K., well what's to stop just one team member paying full memebership and printing copies off for the whole team. Let's be fair and have every one paying the same, with discounts for students and un-employed. If the only difference between the two membership fees is as you suggest the "postal and administrative costs", I fail to see where the savings for the BUF would be.If I pay less but don't receive an Ultimatum, I am the only one who has made any saving. I think it's important not just to think of ourseleves but how we can all contribute, wouldn't you agree Roger? People have suggested that this should be done through the web, others have rightly countered that this would disenfranchise those without web access. How about an affiliation fee which reflects the cost of your affiliation? One of the main costs highlighted has been posting a newsletter to your door. We could therefore have a £25 fee for those requesting a newsletter and £20 (or less depending on the postal and administration costs) for those accessing the newsletter via a website. People with limited bandwidth could be emailed an Acrobat pdf file to peruse at their leisure, print off, photocopy and distribute at will (good promotional tool I would have thought - they can give copies to friends/relatives, especailly when there's a photo/mention of them). Such a tiered structure would raise initial setup costs slightly as there would be two types of member, but that would quickly be recouped through saved printing, postage and stamp-licking costs and therefore merits serious consideration. If anybody can argue sensibly against such an approach, please do. === Wigsy 22,JTM,DAD, EX-BOUFFANT _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com