From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Thu May 27 17:38:01 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA09298 for britdisc-outgoing; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:37:10 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA09290 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:37:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net (monsoon.dial.pipex.net [158.43.128.69]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29827 for <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Thu, 27 May 1999 17:37:07 +0100 (BST) Received: (qmail 13147 invoked from network); 27 May 1999 16:36:35 -0000 Received: from userl535.uk.uudial.com (HELO default) (193.149.75.94) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 27 May 1999 16:36:35 -0000 Message-ID: <000001bea85f$286acd00$5e4b95c1@default> Reply-To: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com> To: <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: Re: Drugs and draconian measures Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:36:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk The problem with making comparisons with other sports is this. Manchester UTD are a big team and have sponsorship but are not affected by such team names as "Flaming Arseholes". This is because "Flaming Arseholes" are unheard of and teams like them represent a very small percentage of the millions of football teams worldwide. The majority of football teams that play have names like United, Albion, Wanderers and the like. When possible sponsores look at ultimate they see a lot higher percentage of the teams with drug related names. This is to do with the size of ultimate, so what may seem like a small group of people to another sport is actually a fair quantity of ours. Many people have said if teams want sponsorship then another teams name will not affect that decision, but with ultimate at the stage that it is sponsors do not look at selling the teams but the sport. Teams don't contain big names like Beckham or Owen, so the image of the sport is what they use instead. Any connection between ultimate and drugs will slow the growth of the game. Matt Lowe Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com -----Original Message----- From: Simon Salt <simon.salt@company-net.co.uk> To: 'Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk' <Britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Date: 27 May 1999 14:19 Subject: Drugs and draconian measures >Just to chip in and offer an opinion, why do we have a problem of names and >their associated meanings? >If people want to play Ultimate seriously and attract serious sponsorship to >their game then fine they should ensure that their behaviour and their team >names are suitable for general consumption by the "General" populace. >However, for those that want to play the game for the sense of fun and good >spirit at a local/regional level and not in the public eye, then let them be >called whatever they want. >After all Manchester Utd aren't going to be chastised by the media because >there happens to be a Sunday league team called the "Flaming Arseholes" or >whatever. >People have to decide at what level they want to play and then take the >consequences of playing at that level, just as other sports people do. > >Simon >Sneeekys