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Reply-To: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com>
From: "Matthew Lowe" <Matthew.Lowe@dial.pipex.com>
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Subject: Re: Drug Influenced Ultimate
Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 21:15:11 +0100
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I agree.
When I started playing ultimate about a year or two ago I found the
first few months very difficult. The sport was so underground I had to dig 6
feet down to find anything. I found a lot of people in the Ultimate
community who where happy just to play in a 28 team tournament once a month
and nothing more. Thanks to a few "promoting" players I managed to finally
get into the sport, what it was about and be able to talk to people for
help.
What I'm trying to say, like Olivier said, is that Ultimate could become a
little isolated group, never growing to above 2000 players and never really
being considered a proper sport. Some people may be happy with this, many of
you have said so, but why?
The only strong argument I have heard so far is that people don't want
Ultimate to become like other mainstream sports. I believe that Ultimate
could grow to that sort of level but still stay unique, with players making
foul calls and the like. In fact the Callahan (spelling?) rules that are
constantly discussed in the US are designed for such an occasion, players
still make foul calls and if it is not resolved quickly or fairly the
observer makes the call instead.
I'm begining to ramble on so I'll draw what I'm saying to a close. From the
comments I've read it seems that there is a great divide in British Ultimate
over trying to the develope the sport to a greater level. Perhaps this needs
to be addressed by the BUF, so that they have some idea of how its members
would like things to be developed.
Thanks for reading this far down if you have,
Matt Lowe
Matthew.Lowe@Dial.Pipex.com
-----Original Message-----
From: O.J. Cottray <ojc21@hermes.cam.ac.uk>
To: souzae@towers.com <souzae@towers.com>
Cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>
Date: 26 May 1999 17:11
Subject: RE: Drug Influenced Ultimate
>i'd have to second peter, balti, jerome and the like-
>i play ultimate not because it's 'different' but because of its balance
>between spirit and competitveness -which requires active promotion of the
>spirit side to counteract our natural tendency for competition. that's why
>i like it. i appreciate the fact that players make a concerted effort
>towards that.
>i'd like to add ,if i may, that there isn't much point in being 'spirited'
>or whatever if we're going to keep it confined to the currently
>underground world of ultimate.
>alternative scenes have shot themselves in the foot over and over again
>and proven to be as hypocritical as any other by creating for
>themselves simply another elite of 'do-gooders'; by shunning the
>mainstream they simply become another isolated self-righteous group.
>so, no i don't think we should compromise the general spirit for the sake
>of publicity (because we don't need to do that). and no, i don't think we
>should isolate ourselves either as 'the only righteous sport there is'.
>i think our publicity should continue to focus on promoting the balance in
>ultimate. publicity has been on the up, and i dont' see why we should
>start doing away with some ultimate's fundamentals simply because we're
>impatient to get McDonalds t-shirts.
>i think what we need is more of the same thing actually. continue bringing
>why we joined to the forefront.
>
>who knows....one day, just maybe one day we'll see self-refereed football
>games in the FA... maybe Mike Tyson we'll apologise after every punch...
>
>starry-eyedly yours-
>olivier
>