From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 26 17:11:43 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA19207 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:11:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA19192 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:11:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26375 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:11:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from ojc21 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 2.05 #3) id 10mgH4-0003tc-00; Wed, 26 May 1999 17:11:22 +0100 Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:11:22 +0100 (BST) From: "O.J. Cottray" <ojc21@hermes.cam.ac.uk> X-Sender: ojc21@red.csi.cam.ac.uk Reply-To: "O.J. Cottray" <ojc21@hermes.cam.ac.uk> To: souzae@towers.com cc: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Subject: RE: Drug Influenced Ultimate In-Reply-To: <8525677D.00532B2F.00@email06> Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.990526163154.19784A-100000@red.csi.cam.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk i'd have to second peter, balti, jerome and the like- i play ultimate not because it's 'different' but because of its balance between spirit and competitveness -which requires active promotion of the spirit side to counteract our natural tendency for competition. that's why i like it. i appreciate the fact that players make a concerted effort towards that. i'd like to add ,if i may, that there isn't much point in being 'spirited' or whatever if we're going to keep it confined to the currently underground world of ultimate. alternative scenes have shot themselves in the foot over and over again and proven to be as hypocritical as any other by creating for themselves simply another elite of 'do-gooders'; by shunning the mainstream they simply become another isolated self-righteous group. so, no i don't think we should compromise the general spirit for the sake of publicity (because we don't need to do that). and no, i don't think we should isolate ourselves either as 'the only righteous sport there is'. i think our publicity should continue to focus on promoting the balance in ultimate. publicity has been on the up, and i dont' see why we should start doing away with some ultimate's fundamentals simply because we're impatient to get McDonalds t-shirts. i think what we need is more of the same thing actually. continue bringing why we joined to the forefront. who knows....one day, just maybe one day we'll see self-refereed football games in the FA... maybe Mike Tyson we'll apologise after every punch... starry-eyedly yours- olivier