From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed May 26 16:08:49 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04215 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:08:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (daffodil [137.205.192.30]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04202 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:08:29 +0100 (BST) From: souzae@towers.com Received: from towers.com (ns01.towers.com [208.207.110.34]) by daffodil.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA14006 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 16:08:26 +0100 (BST) Received: from email01.towers.com with id LAA173546 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:15:04 -0400 Received: by email06(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 8525677D.00532EE8 ; Wed, 26 May 1999 11:08:34 -0400 X-Lotus-FromDomain: TP To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Message-ID: <8525677D.00532B2F.00@email06> Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:07:57 +0100 Subject: RE: Drug Influenced Ultimate Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk It may be a great trait to be willing to compromise, but going mainstream shouldn't be to the tune of all the sacrifices coming from the Ultimate community. Any talk of why its worth going mainstream should also include what kind of positive effect it could have on the already mainstream sports, i.e. more emphasis on an honor code among players for settling disputes, better spirit surrounding competition, more casual attitude about the whole thing...etc. Otherwise, ultimate becomes just another sport to capture the public eye. As it is, I think the public's attention span is only going to focus on 2-3 major sports at once. There's already saturation in that market, so to speak. If we're going to grab anyone's attention it's going to be specifically because we've got a different attitude and a different way of doing things. After all, grunge went mainstream in the early 90s and it showed us all how to come crashing down in misery from the sickening sweetness of 80s pop rock (only so that we could revive it in another 15-20 yrs). Sure, some will say that Nirvana cashed in at the expense of their punk roots, but we're all the wiser for their mainstream presence. :) Eric "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> on 26/05/99 15:29:33 To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk, "'M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk'" <M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk> cc: (bcc: Eric Souza/Towers Perrin) From: "HUGHES, Chris" <CHughes@chelt.ac.uk> Date: 26/05/99 14:29 Subject: RE: Drug Influenced Ultimate Expanding the issue here to cover a larger are still raises the point - as Ultimate players something is going to be sacrificed to promote the game further for public awareness. This may be drug references (and use) to promote a squeaky clean image (just like rugby!). We may have to change the game, ie referees; local leagues instead of tournaments. Separate divisions at events. The ethos and social aspect of the game may change as sponsorship forces players to change their behavior on and off pitch, the player base means that you won't be playing and seeing your friends from other teams. Players may be forced to play for their closest teams etc. The possible outcomes from pushing the promotion of the sport may have big beneficial changes to the sport and individuals - but some aspects will also suffer; how much are people prepared to give up. Or are you happy in the knowledge that every one new who you speak to thinks the only reason you were able to represent your country is because you are the only one who plays that silly little sport, and you just weren't good enough to compete at rugby/football/hockey/netball* (*insert sport of their choice here) Chris Hughes (my opinions only) (not DoC)