From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Wed Mar 3 14:36:16 1999 Received: by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA11112 for britdisc-outgoing; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:09 GMT Received: from snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (snowdrop [137.205.192.31]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA11099 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:06 GMT Received: from kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.8]) by snowdrop.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25973 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:32:05 GMT Received: from mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk [130.209.192.26]) by kestrel.mcg.gla.ac.uk (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA10036 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:25:52 GMT Received: from MCG1/SpoolDir by mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk (Mercury 1.40); 3 Mar 99 14:32:03 +1100 Received: from SpoolDir by MCG1 (Mercury 1.40); 3 Mar 99 14:31:53 +1100 From: "David Grayson" <david@mcg.gla.ac.uk> Organization: Multimedia Communications Group To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:31:47 gmt+1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Regional Rosters X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Message-ID: <C4FB0A16F24@mcg1.mcg.gla.ac.uk> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Just to agree with Mark. Last year at least three teams at nationals were seriously affected by not being able to promote B team players to cover injuries etc. I believe this devalued the quality of nationals as clubs playerd ironman instead of having a B team player as a sub. In most sport you can refuel at a pit stop. Should 2 teams from one club qualify then they can be treated as separate and not permit switching between teams. The other (slightly more radical) alternative would be to consider Nationals as a competition between the top 24 clubs in GB. Therefore don't allow second teams to qualify. Seems to me this takes away a lot of the incentive for certain second teams to play hard at regionals however so I wouldn't be in favour of it. Having said all that - rules were set a few weeks ago and regionals teams will have been picked on the basis of those rules so perhaps we should be discussing a change for next year? Dave. Mud Culture. > From: M.J.Jefferson@open.ac.uk > To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk > Subject: Regional Rosters > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 1999 14:02:39 -0000 > This was originally going just to you Chris, but as your server keeps > returning my messages it looks like fate wanted this as an open > discussion..... > > We all understand - I think - why teams should be required to roster their > regional entries. I won't bore you by repeating the arguments. I agree > with them. But there are situations where the rules - designed to promote > and protect a level playing field for all teams - disadvantage some teams - > particularly students. Strange Blue (I hope you don't mind me speaking > about this Dora) have worked really hard to put a second team together for > the regionals. It is a specifically student-related issue that this second > team (or third, or fourth) will consist of freshers, beginners etc who do > not get as many opportunities to compete. In fielding multiple teams clubs > may be stretching their human resources to the point where, if a first team > player is injured, there is no one left to replace them. So what should > they do? Only take one team, to guarantee replacements if needed, or take > the second team, knowing that if the firsts qualify but suffer injury they > may have to give up their space at the nationals? > > There is no easy solution. As you have pointed out, Chris, by allowing > players to switch teams you run the risk of large clubs attempting to flood > the Nationals. But I do think we should think about this seriously. One > suggestion - by no means fool-proof - is to allow teams a designated number > of nominated reserves - one or two players who must be with that club, who > are allowed to play in the regionals with one team but then take up their > reserve place in the Nationals if required. This will probably only help > student clubs anyway - there are very few non student clubs who put in > multiple teams - and by limiting the number of reserves you largely prevent > a team from amassing hundreds of pick-ups for the finals. > > I'm always far too enthusiastic, and I'm sure a hundred people will tell me > why this can't work. But discuss it quickly and sensibly and see if we > can't reach some sort of solution for teams like Strange Blue - it is in our > sport's best interests to help, rather than discourage, teams after all. > > Thanks for reading this far..... > > > > Mark > Whiplash >