From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 15:45:00 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id PAA24679 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:32:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from post.mail.demon.net (post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.40]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA24664 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 15:32:15 +0100 (BST) Received: from [158.152.203.174] (helo=[158.152.203.174]) by post.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.03 #1) id 0zT5Uj-00026V-00 for britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:32:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Discussion on World Ultimate Date: Tue, 13 Oct 98 15:30:49 +0100 x-sender: ultimatum@pop3.demon.co.uk x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0, March 15, 1997 From: Paul Hurt <paul@ultimatum.demon.co.uk> To: "BritDisc" <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-Id: <E0zT5Uj-00026V-00@post.mail.demon.net> Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk >1 - Identify the players that have the dedication to - and would like to >-play for GB. >2 - Identify which of these players can afford to play for GB (AFAIK there >are no subsidies at the moment please correct me if I am wrong.) >3 - Select 2 teams an A team and a B team, forming 1 squad. >4 - Train as many weekends as possible, (midweek can be difficult) >5 - During tournament season take the GB team as a club to European >tournaments (inc. British Open). Of the top of my head I think that this >could be about 1 every 6 weeks from end of Feb to end of Oct. This club >team would be formed as a subset of A+B, as there will indoubtedly be other >commitments, injury etc. >6 - Play friendlies against other top teams in the country (e.g let us >assume that UTI and Catch form the basis of the GB team: Play against >Druids, Chevvy etc.) on a regular basis. Isn't this pretty much how it's supposed to work already? The problem seems to be that because GB cannot compete in the Tour, their opportunities for playing together in a competitive environment throughout the year are limited. As I understand it, the suggestion that has been mooted by some players is that they could form a "super-club" of players that largely all live locally (probably London), train together during the week, AND compete in the Tour as a club team (as well as elsewhere in Europe). When Worlds selection came 'round, then the presumption is that most if not all of the players on that team would get selected for GB (though of course with the current selection procedure, no-one can guarantee this). We then have a "club" team which forms the core of the GB squad. You obviously can't stop a bunch of players deciding to do this. How popular a move this would be is the question. It might be unpopular if it was found that this "super-team" walked the Tour and Nationals (but that's not necessarily a given - there's lots of very good players on very good teams out there these days. How many people just "assumed" UTI would win Nationals?). It could also be unpopular with players who might be playing on that team but for their geographical location. But in terms of competing better at Worlds or Europeans, I can see how this might (would) be beneficial. But only if pretty much everyone on that team got selected. The situation would certainly put the selector in a difficult position. Alternatively, as Colin suggested, just change the bloomin' GB selection procedure. Send the top club team (however you decide who they are) and let them select whoever else they want to take to Worlds. Certainly a lot less grief and hassle than the current selection procedure! But might not be so beneficial for domestic Ultimate perhaps. Paul --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul Hurt Editor, Ultimatum Magazine, London, England editor@ultimatum.demon.co.uk Visit Ultimatum Online... http://www.ultimatum.demon.co.uk