From britdisc-owner@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tue Oct 13 10:54:02 1998 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) id KAA02664 for britdisc-outgoing; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (ralf@shrimp [137.205.227.130]) by pansy.csv.warwick.ac.uk (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA02653 for <britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk>; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from ralf@localhost) by shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA14904 for britdisc@csv; Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:42 +0100 (BST) From: Ralf <ralf@dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Message-Id: <199810130945.KAA14904@shrimp.dcs.warwick.ac.uk> Subject: BOUNCE britdisc@warwick.ac.uk: Header field too long (>1024) (fwd) To: britdisc@csv.warwick.ac.uk Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:45:41 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: COLIN.WAGSTAFF@TRADEINDEMNITY.btX400.co.uk X-Quote: Productivity is in the eye of the beholder. X-Quote: The closest to perfection a person ever comes is when they fill out a job application. X-Freedom: 99 days... X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL35 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk Precedence: bulk Subject: RE:Re: Tour 99 Message-ID: <G200212B7777000001020067A24C042E*@MHS> In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.96.981008102037.15266B-100000@purds> Jon Good wrote: >If they want these they can go to bigger tournaments with some European teams >as, generally speaking, players at these teams have the time and cash to >go to them. And we do goto to European tournaments to play at higher levels, but surely you don't want us to not play in the tour and only play in foreign tournaments, which is an idea i have heard banded around through a couple of 'top' teams. This is because we definitely do not have more time (work, exams, career, family, house etc.), yes we may have more money but most of us work very hard long hours for the pleasure. The time we spend playing Ultimate is crucial time and we need to play high standard teams most of that time, else many players would stop playing and the standard of Ultimate in the UK would fall even further behind that of the rest of the world. Cue:- 'Huge discussion on how GB teams can do better at World Championships' Its all about priorities and we seem to have not defined them clear enough, do we want to see GB finishing in the 'second' division of World Ultimate or do we wish to see us really acheiving what we can. We do have some really talented players in this country, but it seems these never get it together to represent GB. In my opinion it seems that most players are far more committed to playing for their club than their country. There is no problem with this as long as it is acknowledged. The Shotgun team of 1997 at WUCC in Vancouver came 18th and really made an impression on the World scene. GB teams consistantly fail to achieve what a GB team could. This needs to be adressed. We all want the best players to represent the country but this as has been shown is not always possible. In light of this the current system of choosing the GB team needs changing. We have to find out what is the BUF's prioity, before any submission for GB manager/coach etc can be made. Should we send the Tour Winners/Nationals Winners/Best performing team at the WUCC of the previous year/Should it be completely open with fulls trials/Should we combine the top 2/3/4/5 etc teams? Practice is the key, if a GB team can practice frequently and regularly like a club side we may be able to achieve more. Please lets discuss this, as Rafi said this is very important and you would expect more on BD. Colin. UTI. ----- End of forwarded message from owner-britdisc@warwick.ac.uk ----- ____ ____ _ _ ____ .----------------------------------------. _\__ \ _\__ \ / \ / \\__/ | Ranulf Doswell | / \_/ /_ / \_/ \ / / / /___ | Department of Computer Science | \ __ \\ __ \\ \ _\ \\_/ |University of Warwick, COVENTRY, CV4 7AL| \ \ \ \\ \ \ \\ \__/ \\ \ | Phone: 01203 523296 Fax: 01203 525714 | \_/ \_/ \_/ \_/ \______/ \_/ `----------------------------------------'